On 2/9/22 09:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
I don't think that John (who is probably no more clueful than Jane)
knows about Google Public DNS either.
It's less about Jane and John than it is about a number of techs and IT
folk who are not interested in global Internet operations. Those fol
On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 09:37:02AM +0200,
Mark Tinka wrote
a message of 18 lines which said:
> > Let me repeat that there is a service which is officially intended to
> > be pinged/queried/etc, the RIPE Anchors.
>
> Yeah, but how do we get out there in a manner that Jane can easily find and
>
On 2/9/22 09:30, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
Let me repeat that there is a service which is officially intended to
be pinged/queried/etc, the RIPE Anchors.
Yeah, but how do we get out there in a manner that Jane can easily find
and use, like she does 8.8.8.8?
RIPE's probes are great, but
On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 09:08:04AM +0200,
Mark Tinka wrote
a message of 25 lines which said:
> It's terrible behaviour, but unless we offer a more "official"
> alternative, it won't end.
Let me repeat that there is a service which is officially intended to
be pinged/queried/etc, the RIPE Anch
On 2/9/22 07:32, Matthew Walster wrote:
Do a DNS query. You don't even have to randomise the id number, just
query for something that will have a small set of results (so, not the
root) and ensure checking is disabled. For 8.8.8.8, I'm guessing
"dns.google" is probably an excellent target.
On 2/9/22 07:24, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
The entrenched, pervasive, Internet-wide behavior used to be to use
any convenient SMTP server to relay mail too.
The entrenched, pervasive, -wide behavior used to be to
smoke on planes too.
Things change with the times.
Yep. And we woul
On 2/9/22 07:24, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
The entrenched, pervasive, Internet-wide behavior used to be to use
any convenient SMTP server to relay mail too.
The entrenched, pervasive, -wide behavior used to be to
smoke on planes too.
Things change with the times.
Yep. And we woul
(as posted to outages)
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, 04:53 Mark Tinka, wrote:
> It is clear that a number of Internet users find pinging "reliable" IP
> addresses useful, regardless of whether it actually is or isn't, or
> whether it's ethical or not.
>
> Like we have done with other public services such
On 2/8/22 4:13 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
Hard to disagree with "their network, their rules", but we're talking
about an entrenched, pervasive, Internet-wide behaviorial issue.
The entrenched, pervasive, Internet-wide behavior used to be to use any
convenient SMTP server to relay mail too.
The e
On 2/8/22 3:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I was more here to find ammunition to show someone that they were doing
something wrong than to build anything myself.
I've long referred to finding rules / RFCs / documents / test results /
etc. as loading small 22 caliber shells for the powers that be t
On 2/9/22 01:13, Mark Delany wrote:
So. Question. Will making ping/ICMP mostly useless for home-gamers and lazy
network admins
change internet behaviour for the better? Or will it have unintended
consequences such as
an evolutionary adaptation by the tools resulting in yet more unwanted tra
What irked me today was an equipment manufacturer. I found out because Google
had some issues handling ICMP to their DNS resolvers today and some of my
devices started spazzing out.
There's no reason this manufacturer doesn't just setup a variety their own
servers to handle this, other than b
Interestingly I’m looking for the same thing at the moment, need a lateral and
a few blocks trenched.
Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
CEO
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the
world.”
FCC Licens
Orly? 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10937 ttl=112 time=44.408 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10938 ttl=112 time=43.480 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10939 ttl=112 time=57.839 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10940 ttl=112 time=38.816 ms
-LB
Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASC
Meraki finally allowed an operator to stop this a few years ago, but it's
still the default.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Mike Lewinski via NANOG
wrote:
> Anyone swinging a clue-by-four it going to hit Meraki real hard.
>
>
> https://community.meraki.com/t5/Switching/Switch-Constantly-Pings-8-
Hi all,
I'm looking for a fiber contractor to trench some fiber on private property
and then splice it inside. The work will be in Washington state, north of
Spokane. Does anyone have recommendations? On- and off-list welcome.
Thanks,
Ross
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:49 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> I was more here to find ammunition to show someone that they were doing
> something wrong than to build anything myself.
Someone once challenged me to find documentation showing that the Java
garbage collector does not (and is not supposed to)
> I was more here to find ammunition to show someone that they were
> doing something wrong than to build anything myself.
this is just s classic. mind if i quote you?
randy
Anyone swinging a clue-by-four it going to hit Meraki real hard.
https://community.meraki.com/t5/Switching/Switch-Constantly-Pings-8-8-8-8/m-p/31491
On Tue, 8 Feb 2022, Christopher Morrow wrote:
you know what you COULD do though... probe it with DNS requests, and then
you know, test the service being offered, and still know that 'the internet
is not on fire'.
What?!? Use UDP to test the Internet? How would you even know if the
Internet w
On 08Feb22, Mike Hammett allegedly wrote:
> Some people need a clue by four and I'm looking to build my collection of
> them.
> "Google services, including Google Public DNS, are not designed as ICMP
> network testing services"
Hard to disagree with "their network, their rules", but we're tal
Right, someone could do that.
I was more here to find ammunition to show someone that they were doing
something wrong than to build anything myself.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From:
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:05 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Some people need a clue by four and I'm looking to build my collection of
> them.
>
>
> Someone on Outages was nice enough to send this about someone else's
> thread:
> https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq
>
> "Google services, including
Some people need a clue by four and I'm looking to build my collection of them.
Someone on Outages was nice enough to send this about someone else's thread:
https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq
"Google services, including Google Public DNS, are not designed as ICMP network
testing
>
> Are there any authoritative resources from said organizations saying you
> shouldn't use their servers for your persistent ping destinations?
I'm not sure that an ' authoritative resource ' is really needed. It should
be generally understood at this point in the internet's life that networks
Hello,
On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 18:56, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Yes, pinging public DNS servers is bad.
>
> Googling didn't help me find anything.
>
> Are there any authoritative resources from said organizations saying you
> shouldn't use their servers for your persistent ping destinations?
This w
I'm not looking to do the pinging myself. I have my own destinations I use. I
also use the RIPE system on occasion.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer"
To: "Mike Ham
On Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 11:56:44AM -0600,
Mike Hammett wrote
a message of 140 lines which said:
> Are there any authoritative resources from said organizations saying
> you shouldn't use their servers for your persistent ping
> destinations?
Why not using RIPE Anchors, which are made to be pi
Came across some endpoint behavior that caused some confusion with a MAC
authentication bypass (MAB) setup, and I was wondering if this is some kind
of well known behavior.
The endpoints (Pure storage arrays) are using the expected MAC addresses,
both fixed and a “virtual” shared MAC for 99.9% of
In response to feedback from operational security communities,
CAIDA's source address validation measurement project
(https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly
reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which
we received packets with a spoofed source address.
Yes, pinging public DNS servers is bad.
Googling didn't help me find anything.
Are there any authoritative resources from said organizations saying you
shouldn't use their servers for your persistent ping destinations?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Inter
Hello everyone,
Is there someone from GTT on list that can contact me in pvt?
For over a week we have been seeing loss and latency between Frankfurt and
Milan as reported in outages by Lukas
https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2022-February/014230.html
After a week of TT updates and es
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