Re: Hurricane Electric now supports ASPA for route filtering

2024-09-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 4:18 PM Lancheng via NANOG wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > >Hurricane Electric now uses ASPA to do hop by hop checking of AS paths > >when deciding which routes to accept when building prefix filters. > > >Here is an example of a route failing the ASPA check. > > >44.31.69.0/24,rej

Re: Any ideas how long gmail cache DNS records ?

2024-08-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 11:38 AM Laura Smith wrote: > > > > On Monday, 12 August 2024 at 16:11, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > > > > you MIGHT try just using the 'clear the google-public-dns cache' page: > > https://developers.google.com/speed/

Re: Any ideas how long gmail cache DNS records ?

2024-08-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 10:15 AM Matt Corallo wrote: > On 8/10/24 10:16 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG wrote: > > In typical "Google knows best" style they appear to be ignoring SOA and TTL > > and doing their own thing. you MIGHT try just using the 'clear the google-public-dns cache' page: https:

Re: Server rental inside of One Wilshire in Los Angeles

2024-08-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 12:52 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > > budget, the actual hardware becomes very important, so i think lack of > specificity there implies it's not about latency. I'd bet the real answer is that someone wants to connect a commodity server to an IX and pretend to be some network/asn a

Re: 600,000 routers bricked

2024-06-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 1:40 PM Matt Erculiani wrote: > > It's important to note though that if you quietly (or even publicly) patch > 600k devices to fix a bug, nobody cares. Plus, doing so is still a crime: > it's 600k instances of accessing a computer system without permission. It's > also fa

Re: Help with removing DNS shinkhole FP from Charter/Spectrum

2024-04-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
“We checked the website you are trying to access for malicious and spear-phishing content and found it likely to be unsafe.” perhaps charter thinks there's a reason to not permit folks to access a possibly dangerous site? (it's also possible it just got cough up amongst some other stuff in the hos

Re: IPv6 connectivity to mx[1-4].smtp.goog.

2024-02-27 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:03 PM 𝑀𝒶𝓇𝒸𝑜 𝒟𝒶𝓋𝒾𝒹𝓈 via NANOG wrote: > > Op 27-02-24 om 16:22 schreef Brotman, Alex: > > > We are seeing the same, > > Thanks. > > > You may also want to ask the mailop list. > > > I was about to do that, when I noticed that the problem seems solved. sorry about the nois

Re: IRR information & BYOIP (Bring Your Own IP) with Cloud Providers

2024-01-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 1:27 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > On Jan 21, 2024, at 16:10, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >  > > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 5:39 PM Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> >> >> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:07, Christopher Morrow >> w

Re: Re: IRR information & BYOIP (Bring Your Own IP) with Cloud Providers

2024-01-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:39 AM kubanowy wrote: > On Jan 19, 2024, at 02:39, kubanowy wrote: > > Hi, > We have our own prefix assignment from ARIN. We have our infrastructure in > GCP (Google Cloud Platform) where we started using BYOIP functionality > (Google advertises our IPs). We followed t

Re: IRR information & BYOIP (Bring Your Own IP) with Cloud Providers

2024-01-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 5:39 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:07, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > >  > > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 4:55 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG > wrote: > >> Sounds like you’ve got a weird mix of route origination. Why woul

Re: IRR information & BYOIP (Bring Your Own IP) with Cloud Providers

2024-01-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 4:55 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > Sounds like you’ve got a weird mix of route origination. Why wouldn’t you > advertise to Google via BGP and have your prefix originate from your own > ASN? > I think in this case the customer has their own disconnected deployment, and

Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

2024-01-18 Thread Christopher Morrow
Why is this conversation even still going on? It's been established ~100 messages ago that the plan here is nonsense. it's been established ~80 messages ago that the 'lemme swap subjects to confuse the issue' is nonsense. stop feeding the troll. On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 11:20 PM Christopher Hawker

Re: Any comprehensive listing of where Google's IPs originate from?

2023-12-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
(I have not looked at our config in a bit to be sure) > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 1:29 PM Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Tom Beecher wrote: >> > >> > From my observations, all us-east-5 IPs are announced via transit and >&g

Re: What are these Google IPs hammering on my DNS server?

2023-12-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 10:17 AM Ray Bellis wrote: > > > > On 05/12/2023 12:29, Michael Hare via NANOG wrote: > > > At quick glance following the ISC link I didn’t see the compute > > infrastructure [core count] needed to get 1Mpps. There is an obvious > > difference between 99% load of ~500rps an

Re: Any comprehensive listing of where Google's IPs originate from?

2023-12-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > > From my observations, all us-east-5 IPs are announced via transit and peering > at all of my locations Chicago and east. > i would expect that google announces the /16 at least from 'everywhere', yes. > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 9:11 AM Drew W

Re: Any comprehensive listing of where Google's IPs originate from?

2023-12-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
note an entirely helpful answer, but google does publish: https://www.gstatic.com/ipranges/cloud.json - where isp live in 'google cloud' (mostly where they live) https://www.gstatic.com/ipranges/goog.json - prefixes announced maybe 'where' was not 'location' but 'origination by as15169 and it'

Re: Generally accepted BGP acceptance criteria?

2023-11-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:31 PM Tom Samplonius wrote: >> The most surprising thing in the DE-DIX flow chart, was that they check >> that the origin AS exists in the IRR as-set, before doing RPKI, and if the >> set existence fails, they reject the route. I don’t see a problem with >> this,

Re: Your Input Needed: Can ROA Replace LOA? – Short Survey (7 mins)

2023-11-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 10:22 AM Tom Beecher wrote: >> >> In the service provider industry, its primary use is for advertising address >> resources (IPv4/v6 and ASN) > > > Not really. I would think there are a few uses of LOA in the telco/SP world, at least: 1) 'can I make this cross-connec

Re: AS8003 mysteries

2023-11-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:51 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > Anyone have an update as to where this effort, announcing qute a bit > of usa government space, stands? > they stopped their internet telescope project? > https://www.kentik.com/blog/the-mystery-of-as8003/ > -- > Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info

Re: BGP hijack?

2023-10-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
Hank, all exact match for prefix length? Or longer subnets covering the whole? (Is this leakage of a optimizer or possibly censorship leakage?) On Sun, Oct 22, 2023, 1:03 PM Olivier Benghozi wrote: > Same stuff (with our ASN and our prefixes) detected here, coming > from AS2027 (Milkywan), for a

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

2023-10-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:54 PM wrote: > > * morrowc.li...@gmail.com (Christopher Morrow) [Tue 03 Oct 2023, 18:29 CEST]: > >this sort of thing (provider X scrapes Y and mails Z for sales leads) > >every ~18 months. > >the same outrage and conversation happens every time

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

2023-10-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
this sort of thing (provider X scrapes Y and mails Z for sales leads) every ~18 months. the same outrage and conversation happens every time. the same protection mechanisms are noted every time. Is there a reason that: "killfileand move on" is not the answer everytime for this? (why do we need to

Re: TACACS+ server recommendations?

2023-09-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 6:56 AM Jim wrote: ... > My understanding is a good number of password manager products exists which > will handle that, > and then the only AAA which network devices need to be concerned about for > Authentication and > Authorization is Basic password auth, which all

Re: TACACS+ server recommendations?

2023-09-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 5:40 AM Simon Leinen wrote: > > Christopher Morrow writes: > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 1:22 PM Jim wrote: > >> > >> Router operating systems still typically use only passwords with > >> SSH, then those devices send the passwords ov

Re: TACACS+ server recommendations?

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 1:22 PM Jim wrote: > > Router operating systems still typically use only passwords with > SSH, then those devices send the passwords over that insecure channel. I > have yet to > see much in terms of routers capable to Tacacs+ Authorize users based on > users' > openSS

Re: JunOS config yacc grammar?

2023-08-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:45 AM Warren Kumari wrote: >> from: me >> this is a common problem (or is common when I look at things, perhaps I'm >> looking wrongly, but...) >> I'd love to have something that parsed all of my device type configs and >> output the results into a >> 'database' that i

Re: JunOS config yacc grammar?

2023-08-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:10 AM Justin H. wrote: > > Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > > In looking around there are examples of some of this, in a way, the > > most common thing > > I end up looking at, and getting sad about, is some java monstrosity > > (who&#

Re: JunOS config yacc grammar?

2023-08-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 11:39 PM Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > > On 8/21/23 7:09 PM, Diogo Montagner wrote: > > I would first try to understand what you are trying to achieve. JUNOS is > > very flexible on this front and I am wondering why you think yacc is the > > right way to achieve what you

Re: Northern Virginia has had enough with data centers

2023-06-23 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 5:36 PM Delong.com wrote: > > > > On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:19, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 9:16 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > > > I view throwing everything into NOVA as being lazy. Throwing so many at one > p

Re: Northern Virginia has had enough with data centers

2023-06-23 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 3:57 PM William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 12:19 PM Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > The discussions in local news (in nova) seem to center around: > > "but the noise!" > > > > i'm sure it'll work out in

Re: Northern Virginia has had enough with data centers

2023-06-23 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 9:16 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > > I view throwing everything into NOVA as being lazy. Throwing so many at one > place isn't good for resiliency. there's nyc and chicago and california :) (and dallas) but.. :) The discussions in local news (in nova) seem to center around:

Re: G root servers unreachable via ICMP(v6)

2023-05-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:59 PM William Herrin wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:38 PM Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:35 PM William Herrin wrote: > > > Ping is used by some versions of traceroute which can help the > > > >

Re: G root servers unreachable via ICMP(v6)

2023-05-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:35 PM William Herrin wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 11:00 AM Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:37 AM wrote: > > > Cutting PING means you are hurting your basic troubleshooting. > > > Is that thin

Re: G root servers unreachable via ICMP(v6)

2023-05-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:37 AM wrote: > > So, DoD does NOT have capacity to answer those little ICMP echo > request packets? Heh.. Anyway, this is IMO terrible practice. why? > Cutting PING means you are hurting your basic troubleshooting. > Is that thing even plugged in? Maybe Firewall misconf

Re: Aptum refuses to SWIP

2023-05-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:48 AM richey goldberg wrote: > In 25 years of working for ISPs I don’t think I’ve ever worked for one that > SWIPed IP space of any size to an end user and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a > request. Mostly because no one wants to put a list of customers out in the > pu

Re: RPKI Mgmt Changes at ARIN (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Upcoming Changes to ARIN’s Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI))

2023-04-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 5:41 PM Ca By wrote: > > > >> >> **ROA Auto-renewal** >> >> After the May software release, any ROA created via ARIN Online or the new >> RESTful provisioning endpoint will be automatically renewed, meaning all >> newly created ROAs will persist indefinitely until they ar

Re: Spamhaus flags any IP announced by our ASN as a criminal network

2023-03-20 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 7:08 PM Brandon Zhi wrote: > > Our person in charge has consulted with their previous person in charge, and > their response is this. you are talking up the discussion with the wrong folks, really. Please go see the spamhaus folk directly.

Re: Spamhaus flags any IP announced by our ASN as a criminal network

2023-03-20 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 9:51 AM Brandon Zhi wrote: > I don't think any ISP would reject an IP that is on the Spamhaus list. you, clearly, have been living under several rocks for a very long time.

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 4:19 PM Christopher Munz-Michielin wrote: > > Not this exact scenario, but what we see a lot of in my VPS company is > people sending spam by using our VPS' source addresses, but routing > outbound via some kind of tunnel to a VPN provider or similar in order > to bypass our

Re: Scheduled outage -- Nationwide no driver license updates this weekend

2023-02-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 6:12 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > Verizon network maintenance will impact access to the “National Driver > Register,” a system that motor vehicle offices around the country need to > check before handing out a license. Wait, what year is it? how is a network maintenance on w

Re: Reverse Traceroute

2023-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
Didn't ethan's project: https://www.measurementlab.net/publications/reverse-traceroute.pdf end with usable code/etc? On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 8:09 AM Rolf Winter wrote: > > Dear NANOG folks, > > As you know, traceroute is unable to enumerate routers on the reverse > path. Given that paths throu

Re: SDN Internet Router (sir)

2023-01-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 11:18 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > Initially, my thought was to use community filtering to push just IXes, > customers, and defaults throughout the network, but that's obviously still > sub-optimal. > > I'd be surprised if a last mile network had a ton of traffic going to any >

Re: SDN Internet Router (sir)

2023-01-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 8:37 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > Disagree that it’s a line in the sand. It’s use the right tool for the > job. > > If a device is low FIB, it’s that way for a reason. There are plenty of > ways to massage that with policy and software, depending on capabilities , > but at the e

Re: ROAs Expire

2023-01-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
idays! > you as well! > /John > > On Jan 3, 2023, at 11:01 AM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 10:53 AM John Curran wrote: > >> Mike - >> >> A friendlier RPKI system would allow you to delegate/authorize the >

Re: ROAs Expire

2023-01-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 10:53 AM John Curran wrote: > Mike - > > A friendlier RPKI system would allow you to delegate/authorize the > automatic action of refreshing your RPKI ROA’s when they are close to > expiration. > > ARIN’s current RPKI system does not provide this (we literally cannot > unde

Re: ROAs Expire

2023-01-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 9:58 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > ROAs expire. Creating new ones doesn't seem to be terribly difficult, but > why do they expire in the first place? > > I think this is covered in the overview rpki document (design decisions): https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8374/ maybe

Re: Google Speed Test

2022-12-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 12:50 PM Lukas Tribus wrote: > > Hello, > > On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 at 17:41, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > Does AS15169 have a speed test? > > Stadia speedtest is still up today: > > https://stadia.google.com/speedtest "Google partners with Measurement Lab (M-Lab) to run this

Re: AS3356 Announcing 2000::/12

2022-12-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
cific conflicts. > > It does look like 3356 pulled the announcement, which is good. > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:48 AM Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:25 PM Ryan Hamel wrote: >> > >> > AS3356 has been announcing 2000

Re: AS3356 Announcing 2000::/12

2022-12-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:25 PM Ryan Hamel wrote: > > AS3356 has been announcing 2000::/12 for about 3 hours now, an aggregate > covering over 23K prefixes (just over 25%) of the IPv6 DFZ. > > interesting that this is leaking outside supposed RPKI OV boundaries as well. For example: 6762 3356

Re: Re: Why do ROV-ASes announce some invalid route?

2022-11-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 8:49 AM Lukas Tribus wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 at 14:00, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > Also, also, possibly the output path on the session(s) here is not > > filtering in an OV fashion. > > ROV belongs on the input path, let'

Re: Re: Why do ROV-ASes announce some invalid route?

2022-11-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
There are 2 sides to the bgp conversation for any ASN, and then really 4 sides. customer -> RAS -> peer (settlement-free) peer(sfp) -> RAS -> customer customer -> ras -> transit transit -> ras -> customer Depending on the RAS's capabilities or status in their journey to 'fully RAS', it's

Re: FCC chairwoman: Fines alone aren't enough (Robocalls)

2022-10-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 8:36 PM wrote: > > The FCC hasn’t enforced it because the burden on large carriers to collect > that data would be insane. And it would be reduce the flexibility of large > carriers to take on new traffic in disaster situations, which is one of the > strongest points of t

Re: VZ FIOS and Intel TCP IPv6 Checksum Offload problems

2022-08-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:00 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Aug 2022, Michael Thomas wrote: > >> In some situations where a client machine is connected via some specific > >> Optical Network Terminals (ONTs), and data is appended after the packet > >> checksum, the network adapter can drop

Re: AS701 anycasts any IP?

2022-08-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:49 AM Bjoern Franke via NANOG wrote: > > Hi, > while investigating an issue I was wondering a german IP was only 1-2 > hops away from some RIPE Atlas Probes connected via AS701. > > It seems at least probe #50235 and #54508 see any IP directly as next > hop, as an example

Re: Verizon no BGP route to some of AS38365 (182.61.200.0/24)

2022-07-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:44 AM holow29 wrote: > I would expect Verizon to be able to contact CT and figure out why they > aren't passing the correct routes just as I might expect Baidu to do the > same thing, I suppose. Ultimately, > You seem to be misunderstanding the relationship here... B

Re: Mystery MAC address

2022-07-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
mac addresses can be lies... and they can repeat... joy! On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 12:22 PM JoeSox wrote: > Hello, > > I have something I have never seen before and was wondering if anyone in > the community has seen something like this? > > So some active directory accounts are getting locked int

Re: Congrats to AS701

2022-06-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
07:f8b0:4004:c09::6a: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=24.0 ms >>> 64 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4004:c09::6a: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=17.6 ms >>> 64 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4004:c09::6a: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=20.4 ms >>> 64 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4004:c09::6a: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=23.4 ms >>>

Re: Bgpmon alternative

2022-06-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
One problem, I have at least, is that all of the 'service I can pay for/signup for' have odd scaling problems on pricing :( and on top of that are extra noisy :( and don't tell me how they make any particular judgement :( So, they are all, effectively, a loud blackbox that's very expensive :( Hav

Re: [Story] When IPv6 Fixes IPv4 Peering Issues

2022-06-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
Curious to know if the 'saved the day' was really 'fell into a different rate-limit bucket' for UDP by address family :) On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:53 AM Jared Mauch wrote: > > > > On Jun 13, 2022, at 10:25 AM, Brielle wrote: > > > > I quickly reconfigured the Cys WireGuard node to connect to t

Re: Congrats to AS701

2022-06-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
th', because everytime I have tried at my house I've just taken it out behind the woodshed with a maul... and replaced it with something I CAN configure successfully. (plus.. don't want that TR 069 in my home...) -chris > -Darrel > > On Jun 11, 2022, at 7:05 PM, Christopher M

Fwd: Congrats to AS701

2022-06-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
Looks like FIOS customers may be getting ipv6 deployed toward them, finally: ifconfig snippet from local machine: inet6 2600:4040:2001:2200:73d2:6bcc:1e6b:43a1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0 inet6 2600:4040:2001:2200:e87:bf36:b6cb:6ce1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0 ping attempt: 64 byt

Re: Cogent & Google reachability stable?

2022-06-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
Are we discussing direct connectivity between 15169/174? or via a third party(ies)? I ask, because i looks like RouteViews has, in: http://archive.routeviews.org/bgpdata/2020.07/UPDATES/updates.20200715.0345.bz2 at last this bit of clues: BGP4MP_ET|1594784883.404691|A|91.218.184.60|49788|35.213.0

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-06-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 4:37 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 6/6/22 12:00 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > is gatekeeping what users MIGHT do, and/or deciding based on corner > > cases helpful to this discussion? > > (this isn't meant as a note directly to dorn, j

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-06-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
is gatekeeping what users MIGHT do, and/or deciding based on corner cases helpful to this discussion? (this isn't meant as a note directly to dorn, just a convenient place to interject) Aside from planning based on a formula like Jason Livingood's plan... OR based on build/deploy/upgrade costs int

Re: Google Fi IPs

2022-06-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:55 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:22 PM John Von Essen wrote: > >> Feel free to contact me off-list if your associated with Google Fi. >> >> I’m trying to narrow down some IP abuse that I believe is coming fr

Re: Google Fi IPs

2022-06-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:22 PM John Von Essen wrote: > Feel free to contact me off-list if your associated with Google Fi. > > I’m trying to narrow down some IP abuse that I believe is coming from > Google Fi mobile devices. The IPs are all coming up as generic Google LLC > in whois, and they do

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-06-01 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:10 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/23/22 12:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: > >> The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US > >> household will need more than a gig within 5 years. Why not just jump > >> it

Re: Verizon NJ <-> Hetzner DE, routes via LA?

2022-05-18 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:29 PM Tomas Jonsson wrote: > Since yesterday, I've started to see an increase in latency between my > self in NJ on Verizon FIOS and Hetzner in DE. Even using Verizon:s > looking glass is giving me 250ms. This is an increase of about 150ms > (Seems to be true for most

Re: AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Others Commit to Low-Income Broadband Program

2022-05-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 10:32 AM Sean Donelan wrote: > > AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Others Commit to Low-Income Broadband Program > Providers will help offer high-speed internet to millions of households > under the infrastructure law > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/internet-providers-commit-to-lo

Re: how networking happens in Hawaii

2022-04-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
This reads a lot like dsl wars between ilecs and clecs in the late 90s and early 2ks. Great times? Or Greatest times? On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 15:44 scott via NANOG wrote: > > > I thought I'd put a smile on your faces for Friday. This is how > networking happens in Hawaii... > > > https://www.civ

Re: RFC 9225 - Software Defects Considered Harmful

2022-04-01 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 3:12 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > If there's a bug in an ISP's implementation of RFC2549 carrier > 'equipment', is that considered a software bug, hardware, or subject of > ornithological research? > > Certainly that would depend on what part of the pipeline was involved, no?

Re: V6 still not supported

2022-03-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:21 PM John Kristoff wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 18:36:24 +0200 > Jared Brown wrote: > > > IPv4 address blocks have a fixed one-time cost, not an ongoing > > $X/month cost. > > From an RIR perhaps, but when demand changes for your available pool, > what happens downst

Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported

2022-03-27 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 21:42 John Gilmore wrote: > > Today Google is documenting to its cloud customers that they should use > 240/4 for internal networks. (Read draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-240 for > the citation.) We have received inquiries from two other huge Internet > companies, which are i

Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported

2022-03-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
1) please join the list properly and stop replying to the digests. (note there have been many folks asking you to do this, disconnected message/new-threads are super super super annoying and remove the parts of the discussion from a coherent thread) On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:25 PM Abraham Y. Chen

Re: ISP data collection from home routers

2022-03-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
View of traffic into the ISP with Netflow/etc is very different than all on my lan traffic. Tr-069 is bad news. On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 15:53 Tom Beecher wrote: > You don't even have to use their equipment. My provider at home is Charter > / Spectrum. I own my own cable modem / router ,they have

Re: ISP data collection from home routers

2022-03-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:04 AM Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG < nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > > > Who cares about the SSID??? > > I don't remember the data model, but I remember that they retrieved data > very often, multiple times a minute. > > Please keep in mind that TR-069 (which in all likelihoo

Re: V6 still not supported

2022-03-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:36 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 3/22/22 5:45 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > right would have had any better chance of being adopted? My experience > with Cisco product managers at the time is that they couldn't give a > shit about the technical aspects of an ipng. If the

Re: are underwater routers a thing?

2022-03-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
John's probably seen this but I think it addresses power on cables and branching nodes (which are just optical /roadm devices) https://youtu.be/H9R4tznCNB0 On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 22:40 John Levine wrote: > It appears that Jerry Cloe said: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >it look like it was completely a

Re: Dropping support for the .ru top level domain

2022-03-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2022-March/217815.html On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:29 AM Patrick Bryant wrote: > I don't like the idea of disrupting any Internet service. But the current > situation is unprecedented. > > The Achilles Heel of general public use of Internet services has a

Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

2022-03-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 7:55 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 12:29 PM Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > What's the actual proposal for 240/4? > > Is it: "Make this usable by me on my /intranet/?" > > Is it: "Make this usable a

Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

2022-03-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 10:39 AM William Herrin wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 1:22 AM Joe Maimon wrote: > > The true dilemma is that any amelioration of IPv4 scarcity may indeed > > contribute to further delaying mass global IPv6 adoption, regardless of > > whose effort and time is involved.

Re: V6 still widely supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members,

2022-03-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:16 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > Verizon Wireless does have v6. I see a 100.64/24 on my phone all the time. > > wireless != wired/internet/fios/dsl Verizon, as I noted elsewhere, in the wired network (as701 / 702 / 703, mostly these days) supported v6 in ~2005 across the en

Re: V6 still not supported

2022-03-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
not to echo cameron's comment too much, but... On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 3:44 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > >but nowadays, some are going all v6. > > Where is there v6 only services/content? > >> >> I don't think any of this matters, really. Is deploying v6 doable? yes Is deploying it going to cost som

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

2022-02-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:09 AM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-19-72A1.docx > > It says nothing about this. And certainly the FCC would not issue > something with such a short date fuse; that letter appears to be a scam > using scare and pressure

Re: junos config commit question

2022-02-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:26 PM Ryan Hamel wrote: > If it's before committing the changes just run "top" to get back to the > root of the configuration tree, then "rollback 0" to go back to the version > before any changes were made, then just "exit" out. > > Ryan > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:20

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

2022-02-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:10 PM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe wrote: > ok that’s amazing. > > RFC1149 amazing. > > > Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware > routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let > the world ping the brains

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

2022-02-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:05 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Some people need a clue by four and I'm looking to build my collection of > them. > > > Someone on Outages was nice enough to send this about someone else's > thread: > https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq > > "Google services, including

Re: Slack.com DNSSEC on Feb 12th 15:00 UTC

2022-02-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 10:54 AM Bjørn Mork wrote: > > I assume you know which names you are going to serve? > > how would they be able to serve: footgun.slack.com bjornbjorn.slack.com ilovecorn.slack.com so immediately without that wildcard though? :)

Re: Request to participate in 2-min study survey on IPv6 Adoption

2022-02-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
> > > sounds like no one a taker on the survey then...

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

2022-01-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 2:37 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > I think for the vast majority of cloud users they'd do a way worse job at > uptime than the providers. Whether that applies to some telcos, I'm not > sure. > > It seems like some of the situation is: "5g/mobile builds include a bunch mor

Re: Flow collection and analysis

2022-01-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:53 AM David Bass wrote: > Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are > using these days for netflow data collection, and your opinion on the tool? a question not asked, and answer not provided here, is: "What are you actually trying to

Re: Long hops on international paths

2022-01-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
Looking at your 1 repeat ORD example: On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:17 AM PAUL R BARFORD wrote: > 6 64.125.15.65 1.895 ms [x] (zayo.telia.ter1.ord7.us.zip.zayo.com., > CAIDA-GEOLOC -> Chicago, IL, US) > > 7 62.115.118.59 99.242 ms[x] (prs-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net., > CAIDA-GEOLOC -> Par

Re: Long hops on international paths

2022-01-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 5:31 PM PAUL R BARFORD wrote: > Dear Pengxiong, > > Thanks for your questions: > > >1. We are using CAIDA’s Internet Topology Data Kit (ITDK) that uses >the MIDAR alias resolution method to infer IP addresses assigned to the >same router. >2. We understand

Re: Cloudflare Abuse Contact

2022-01-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 12:07 PM Mike Hale wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone have a cloudflare abuse contact? The email address in the > whois doesn't actually go to their abuse team, and their abuse form > RAbuseHandle: ABUSE2916-ARIN RAbuseName: Abuse RAbusePhone: +1-650-319-8930 RAbuseEmail

Re: Theorical question about cyclic dependency in IRR filtering

2021-11-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Ben Maddison wrote: > Hi Chris, > > On 11/29, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 8:14 AM Job Snijders via NANOG > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Anurag, > > > > > > Circular dependencies definitel

Re: Theorical question about cyclic dependency in IRR filtering

2021-11-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 8:14 AM Job Snijders via NANOG wrote: > Hi Anurag, > > Circular dependencies definitely are a thing to keep in mind when > designing IRR and RPKI pipelines! > > In the case of IRR: It is quite rare to query the RIR IRR services > directly. Instead, the common practise is t

Re: IPv6 and CDN's

2021-11-27 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 17:36 Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > Well, 1.4x faster is a bit of an odd metric. I presume that means that > connection set up times measured were on average > 1/1.4 times as long for IPv6 as they were for IPv4, but there are other > possible interpretations. > > So really,

Re: multihoming

2021-11-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 5:12 PM Geoff Huston wrote: > > > > On 25 Nov 2021, at 7:57 am, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > > > Are you proposing SCTP? There is sadly not much more hope for widespread > adoption of that as of IPv6. > > > > or perh

Re: multihoming

2021-11-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:12 AM Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 08:16, Masataka Ohta < > mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > >> So, as modifying end systems is inevitable, there is >> no reason not to support full end to end multihoming >> including modifications to sup

Re: IPv6 and CDN's

2021-10-23 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 15:17 Fred Baker wrote: > I think you will find that there are some places in which getting IPv6 > network service has been difficult, and as a result even IPv6- Fred, do you mean places like, all of Verizon FiOS? capable equipment is not reachable by IPv6. Those are, ho

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