essen> I saw something online that said $250,000 but that didn't make
essen> sense if its all paperwork.
woody> Heh. I see you are unfamiliar with ICANN. They've said that
woody> same paperwork is likely to cost $375k in ICANN staff time for
woody> the next round. Because, you know, inflation
ebersman> - don't have all your business critical domains under the same
ebersman> registrar (unless it's of the CSC/markmonitor class)
jeroen> There is always going to be single point of failures in a
jeroen> hierarchical tree like that.
Everything in internet/infrastructure is risk tradeoffs
cjc> On the other side of this, we all may be learning the value of not
cjc> having all of you NS records in a single zone with a domain under a
cjc> single registrar.
>From some trainings I did on how to be sure your DNS was robust:
- don't have all your business critical domains under the
jra> We have a report on outages that he.net has been placed in ICANN
jra> client hold, and people's DNS service is falling over on this
jra> Independence day.
Seems to have had hold removed 20:20 zulu, according to whois.
Domain back in .net and working again.
access to a household OU ("ou=1600
Pennsylvania Ave NW,|ou=20500,dc=us,dc=gov|"). The household OU could
then create inetOrgPersons under that, each of which would have
self-write access.
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o 7 is what was expected, with a 350ms increase...
HE did/does that too, prefering to avoid any direct route from EU to Asia.
Paul
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I have some on my network. I don't think they populate content from their
own cdn network, but it comes from Amazon. interestingly for the NFL
super bowl, while paramount+ streamed the game, on Amazon Prime Video you
could "Watch super bowl on paramount+ Via Prime.". that did actually drive
s response, are
literally the only ones that carry any weight in this thread, period.
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missing an permit ip any any? classic
On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:56 AM wrote:
> I read it as “someone pushed an ACL that wasn’t properly reviewed and it
> really screwed things up."
>
> On Feb 27, 2024, at 21:41, Mark Seiden wrote:
>
> aside from the official pablum that was released
mhammett> This seems more ideological and not overly appropriate for
mhammett> NANOG.
No, covid protocols are something that every conference that is serious
about inclusion should be *very* concerned with.
Saying that NANOG doesn't care about this says that NANOG can't be
bothered to make an
ter Constrained Route Distribution.
>
> Do any of the colleagues have any suggestions on this?
ExaBGP ?
https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp/wiki/RFC-Information
Best,
Paul
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CTO - Witbe.net SA T
In our experience, I think, we do a 24 month rpki cert tied the key shared
with ARIN. You simply create a new rpki cert in the ARIN hosted service.
Due operational reasons we will delete an old cert a month after publishing
the new cert just to keep things clean. We don't have a lot of space
, can’t you just
enable ipv4 and not route it passed the router, then use RFC1918 to manually
general your 32 bit ID.
Paul
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Crist Clark
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 1:39 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Router ID on IPv6-Only
During some IPv6 numbering
Two current experiences . . .
I still do work with an ILEC that gets requests for waves to Cogent. Cogent
has a data center in the market but won't allow the ILEC to build in. So
Cogent burns ports in another data center where Cogent pays for space and
power. Cogent reps says no one gets
Akamai isn't supporting 10g ports on IXPs. I'd be surprised if the allowed
it on PNIs. As for not being on the IXPs, that's odd.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 8:23 AM Jawaid Bazyar
wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We had Akamai servers in our data center for many years until a couple
> years ago, when they
it was UUNet... and then, they had 3 main ASNs:
- 701 (US)
- 702 (EU)
- 703 (APAC)
Playing with the LG, it may seem that the route is visible in the "703
region", so that may be traffic engineering, geo-whatever reason, config
mistake, ...
Paul
--
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65 I (Atomic Originator)
Communities:
Localpref: 100
Paul
pgpblDby5RqkH.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to
order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in
2021 as an orderable product.
of shovelware come with a few megabyte
print driver for a modern printer/scanner/copier. Let's just include a
copy of McAfee endpoint protection in this java update in case the user
opts into selecting that as an option during install? etc.
-Paul
On 6/6/22 14:24, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time
We have customers being forced to use EOL products that they previously
replaces as they continue to wait on the vendor for new EQ.
Paul
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Dave Taht
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 12:16 PM
To: Jason Biel
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Any sign of supply
- along with other geoloc
companies - that it was now UK-based).
So if Disney+ are using Neustar, they are caching the results somehow or
applying their own secret sauce that gets it wrong.
Paul.
amned well fix *your* screwups when you get it wrong in a
timely manner - or don't bother doing it at all.
Paul.
/www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/27/internet-multiple-cities-across-france-suspected-sabotage/
Cheers,
- ferg
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Tacoma, WA USA
Illegitimi non carborundum.
On 3/31/22 11:38, Laura Smith via NANOG wrote:
However, perhaps someone would care to elaborate (either on or off-list) what
the deal is with the requirement to sign NDAs with Cogent before they'll
discuss things like why they still charge for BGP, or indeed any other
technical or pricing
niversal
Have you ever considered that this may be in fact:
*/writing/* and */deploying/* the code that will allow the use of 240/4 the
way you expect
Paul
pgp6kGDmOvUU6.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
eric> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a
eric> real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the
eric> border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done
eric> consistently throughout North America.
You must not have ever dealt with Indiana, where
Saw this
https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real
Do MSOs and CLEC/fiber providers require free power and space?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 7:59 PM Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
> NANOG'ers;
>
> At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that
> 'copper lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with fiber.
> The
We have done that with a CVR and 1g sfp.
On 1/31/2022 11:05 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
Hey, does anyone know of an SFP28 capable of rate-adapting down from 25G on the
cage side down to 1G on the line side? Can be copper or fiber on the line
side, I don’t care, my interest is in the chip
were aware of.
PB
From: athomp...@merlin.mb.ca
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 10:54 AM
To: PAUL R BARFORD ; davidbass...@gmail.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Long hops on international paths
Peering connection, I think, can explain this.
With some
Thanks Saku and Michael.
From: Saku Ytti
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:17 AM
To: Michael Hare
Cc: PAUL R BARFORD ; Esteban Carisimo
; nanog@nanog.org ; Fabian
E. Bustamante
Subject: Re: Long hops on international paths
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 at 17:14
/maintain routes (that include long MPLS
tunnels) that tend to concentrate international connectivity at a relatively
small number of routers?
Regards, PB
From: davidbass...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:22 AM
To: PAUL R BARFORD
Cc: morrowc.li
, January 18, 2022 12:50 AM
To: PAUL R BARFORD
Cc: Lukas Tribus ; Esteban Carisimo
; nanog@nanog.org ; Fabian
E. Bustamante
Subject: Re: Long hops on international paths
1) all (meaning all hitting the zayo.telia) your traceroutes originate
from University in Chicago
2) the zayo.telia device
_
From: Lukas Tribus
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 1:52 PM
To: PAUL R BARFORD
Cc: Nick Hilliard ; nanog@nanog.org ; Esteban
Carisimo ; Fabian E. Bustamante
Subject: Re: Long hops on international paths
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 at 20:00, PAUL R BARFORD wrote:
> What we're curious about is why we'
From: morrowc.li...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 5:13 PM
To: PAUL R BARFORD
Cc: Pengxiong Zhu ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Long hops on international paths
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 5:31 PM PAUL R BARFORD
mailto:p...@cs.wisc.edu>> wrote:
Dear Pen
, there is the telltale in the use of "chi" in the domain name.
3.
Hope that helps.
Regards, PB
From: Pengxiong Zhu
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 3:23 PM
To: PAUL R BARFORD
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Long hops on international paths
Hi Paul,
Just curious.
, January 17, 2022 12:36 PM
To: PAUL R BARFORD
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Long hops on international paths
PAUL R BARFORD wrote on 17/01/2022 18:02:
> For example, there is a router operated by Telia (AS1299) in Chicago
> that has a high concentration of such links.
this doesn't
.
Thank you.
Regards, PB
Paul Barford
University of Wisconsin - Madison
ive the route
> from one of them.
What about setting up a machine with exabgp installed, a iBGP session with
the exabgp instance, and a small script parsing the updates received by
exabgp to raise an alarm whenever $CONDITION is met ?
https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp
Best,
Paul
pgpz
.
Thank you.
Regards, PB
Paul Barford
University of Wisconsin - Madison
ea why this change was made? Is the DoD
planning on actually legitimately putting services on the space soon
instead of using it as a giant honeypot? Or maybe even selling it?
Thanks,
Rich
--
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Tacoma, WA USA
Illegitimi non carborundum.
randy>
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg84yy/data-brokers-netflow-data-team-cymru
randy> at, comcast, ... zayo, please tell us you do not do this.
aaron> You know they do.
No, you don't know that.
The above all certainly collect this info. Not all sell it to anyone who
asks.
Fun part is that just because it's a telnyx number with a checkmark, it
doesn't mean the call came from Telnyx, just that the call came from a
carrier that gave the call attestation A. As the carrier, we can see who
signed the call (it's an x509 certificate, signed by the STI-PA, with
the
On 7/1/21 3:53 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
And this is why this problem will not be solved. The "open relay" is making money from processing
the calls, and the end carrier is making money for terminating them. Until fine(s) -- hopefully millions of
them, one for each improperly terminated
ather than the originating
domain) it's just going to push spammers to exploit those holes. It's
very much to be seen whether victory can be declared, IMO.
Fortunately, positive identification of the caller isn't the intent.
Preventing people from pretending to be the IRS is the intent.
-Paul
RPKI can be very useful to mitigate an attempt.
I used to process IP LOAs all the time. I never saw a RR attached but
usually we did a check against the RIR just to make sure (because we
made access-list per interface as well)
On 3/9/2021 1:42 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
Not everyone uses RRs,
warren> 2: A somewhat similar thing would happen with the Ascend TNT
warren> Max, which had side-to-side airflow. These were dial termination
warren> boxes, and so people would install racks and racks of them. The
warren> first one would draw in cool air on the left, heat it up and
warren> ship it
jlewis> This reminds me of one of the Sprint CO's we were colo'd in.
Ah, Sprint. Nothing like using your railroad to run phone lines...
Our routers in San Jose colo were black from the soot of the trains.
Fondly remember a major Sprint outage in the early 90s. All our data
circuits in the
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is
the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is
"You have to let your customer's services contain death threats against
the owner of your company or we'll blacklist you" is the wildest take of
2021 yet.
Blocking Amazon because of who they allow to remain a customer is
something I wholeheartedly encourage my competitors to do.
On 1/12/21
We used to have some CRTs with MRTG running in the late 90’s
P
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:50 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?
With the covid19 situation, obviously lots
> You take down a 10g connection and they bill each side $.2 a meg, 95th
> percintile billing. VLAN between the two sites. Both sites have to have a
> different AS number. So if you want to move 1g of data, 95th percentile,
> between 2 datacenters I guess it has some utility at $400 a gig
Yes this is common business practice for almost all of the MSOs.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:45 AM Thomas Yarger
wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> This past week when I was helping my father perform some home networking,
> I called AT to get a newer Arris router and they mentioned that if I were
> to
Any idea of the outcome?
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:02:01 -0800, Jay Hennigan said:
>
>> In the old days on the NANAE newsgroup, such bogus threats of legal
>> action were categorized as one calling their "cartooney". People who
>> huff
still trying to post . . .
Forwarded Message
Subject:Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:15:34 -0700
From: Paul Emmons
To: nanog@nanog.org
Hello All!
I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.
There was a change last spring
Contacts
peer...@phoenix-ix.net
+1 602 688-6414
~Paul Emmons
On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon wrote:
While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project
without passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation
we don't know all the details?
2020 has been
If you don’t have coherent argument, take Trump’s approach with an incoherent
ad-hominem attack.
I have been filling this issue with a lot of interest, and to date you have
offered no evidence of anything, apart from your ability to spew vitriol.
> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Elad Cohen
Typo in the first version copied this to a mailing list.
I sent a newer version shortly after copied to Brian instead :-)
Please delete the earlier one & only reply to the later one.
Thanks
paul
> On Oct 22, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Paul Nash wrote:
>
> After an outage ye
Autocorrect changed a misspelled recipient to “nanog”.
paul (grovelling for forgiveness)
realistically need. The rest will flow
from that.
Regards
paul
I have a Bell Canada gig fibre connection. My first attempt was to bridge
their all-in-one box (disaster, unreliable as all hell), second was to set a
bunch of rules for inbound traffic. Apart from inbound access being *very*
iffy, their device was s_l_o_w.
So I pulled the fibre GBIC, used a
vom513> Observation: iOS 14 now seems to send 3 queries (up from 2) for
vom513> every socket connection to a name. Whereas we've had A
vom513> + for quite some time in many OSes - on iOS 14 we now
vom513> have A + + HTTPS (type 65).
[...]
vom513> Question: iOS 14 now flags networks that
On 9/21/20 6:16 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
yes, privacy is one aspect of security. and, as mpls vns are not
private sans encryption, they are not secure.
randy
As my backyard is not surrounded by a cement enclosure with acoustic
baffling and white noise generators inside, it's not really
with ARP timeouts of a day or
even just permanent with manual clearing when you see a peer go down.
-Paul
My backyard is private. It offers no privacy with its chain link fence
against a major street.
On 9/16/20 4:38 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
Privacy != encryption.
cleartext == privacy * 0
cleartext * complexity == privacy * 0
randy
testbed connectivity anytime soon)
https://authenticate.iconectiv.com/authorized-service-providers-authenticate
-Paul
On 9/10/20 4:09 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 9/10/20 9:49 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
At this month's FCC rulemaking meeting, it will consider
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc
upon that foundation, for the betterment of the Internet community as a whole.
Once Don’s family have established plans for his memorial, they will be posted
here.
Roland Dobbins
--
Paul Ferguson
Tacoma, WA USA
Illegitimi non carborundum.
I’m looking for a technical contact at Disney regarding geo-location. I have a
client (apartment building) with a /24 (one IP per apartment). We recently
upgraded out Internet connection to give a much-needed speed boost. Same
connectivity provider, same IP addresses, just a bigger pipe.
be censored.
Before TICSA, I also looked at buying a private (pirate) satellite earth
station. The Russian government were selling off surplus 8-wheel-drive
military satellite earth stations, and I was thinking of parking one in my back
garden (I lived on a farm).
paul
> On Jul 9, 2
discounted service provided
we had a 5-year contract that specified that they service *had* to run over
satellite. Job insurance.
As our requirements grew, we added fibre connections. Eventually the telco
canceled the satellite connection as they were starting to focus on VSAT.
paul
> On
ub-continent (along with email) over 9600 bps dial-up circuits.
paul
Don’t hold your breath :-(.
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 24/Mar/20 22:48, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>> almost all our cultures have gaps; but some worse than others. we will
>> all learn lessons in the coming many months of plague. i know an office
>> which lost
woody> UUCP kicks ass.
And scary as it sounds, UUCP over SLIP/PPP worked remarkably
robustly. When system/network resources are skinny or scarce, you get
really good at keeping things working.
:)
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:22 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
alexandre.petre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mr. Morrow - where are you situated approximately?
>
>
He's a network operator. From North America, on the North American Network
Operators mailing list. Something you are not, so please stop spouting
if
not.
paul
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
>
> An untested emergency system has to be regarded as a non-existent
> emergency system.
>
> No matter how painful it is to test, no matter how expensive it is to
> test, the pain and the expense
connectivity.
Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the
diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.
paul
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:
>
>> That same fuel shor
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa.
Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US.
paul
> On Mar 16, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Ben Cannon wrote:
>
> We (Verizon not me) lost a central office during 9/11 becau
clients, but I feel that that would be a really stupid thing to do right now.
In the meantime, schools are shut down, and I have two children back home from
university.
paul
>
>> (Fortunately, I'm in a position to hide in my apartment and only
> emerge
>> for grocery shopping
It's okay though, because we freed up UDP/53 by moving DNS to TCP/443,
so then we can move HTTPS to UDP/53.
On 2/21/20 6:37 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
First we moved the entire internet to TCP/443.
Now we propose moving it all to UDP/53.
What’s next? Why not simply eliminate port numbers
gleduc> I remember that TI luggable - that sucker weighed a ton!
U of I used those in the libraries. I remember looking up books for
inter-library/lincoln trail and handing the printout to
students. Problem was that clay or whatever it was that made the paper
worked didn't last for more than a
Hi There,
If there are any Microsoft mail admins on the list can they please contact me
ASAP. We’re having deliverability problems into you and all the usual tools
don’t help with fixing problems, only diagnosing them after the fact.
Thanks,
Paul
Paul Kelly
CTO
Blacknight Internet Solutions
merged with our
biggest client, was sold, sold again, and so on. Last time I looked, it had
become Verizon Africa.
paul
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:
>
> So to add my two stories:
>
> I provided the Idea and a whole bunch
wsimpson> When we first designed PPP in the late '80s to replace SLIP
wsimpson> and SLFP, it was expected to run at 300 bps and scale up, so
wsimpson> the timeouts reflected that. When I designed PPP over ISDN,
wsimpson> added language to allow faster retransmission.
SLIP and PPP were quite...
phone wire).
I used them to link up the UNHCR in Northern Mozambique. Only problems were
when someone opened a gate in the fence to move cattle — no carried until they
closed it again.
paul
first internet for me was a 300 baud modem from offsite to someplace
buried in the pentagon that I think aggregated all of us into a single
56k upstream.
at 300 baud, you could actually read faster than the screen scrolled. we
started getting 1200 baud, then 2400 baud but the USAF wouldn't let
kauer> When *I* were a lad we had to touch the wires with our tongues to
kauer> tell one from zero, no job for a sissy lemme tell you.
Wires? You had wires? We had to cut out our own intestines, braid them
into strands and dip them in salt water to make them conductive.
Our bosses would feed us
hey were missing several kilometres of phone wire, so connected the link to
the fence on each side of the road. We get about 1200bps on a good day IIRC,
and would loose carrier whenever someone moved cattle from one field to another
and opened a gate in the fence.
paul
bzs> When we, The World, first began allowing the general public onto
bzs> the internet in October 1989 we actually had a (mildly shared*) T1
bzs> (1.544mbps) UUNET link. So not so bad for the time. Dial-up
bzs> customers shared a handful of 2400bps modems, we still have them.
The World was also
bring such vital resources as Facebook and Netflix :-)
paul
and will get them onto the wifi
anywhere in the facility. I’ve mostly seen Cisco in hospitals and banks.
In theory this could easily be spread through an entire suburb using outdoor
APs.
paul
onthly
threshold, beyond which they reserve the right to throttle (but do not always
throttle). Bell probably do something similar.
The threshold increases with the number of devices on the account, and any
throttling applies to all devices on that account.
paul
This was (not quite) how bits of sub-saharan Africa got netnews in the early
days. Store-and-forward, UUCP links over dial-ups, and the occasional mag tape
couriered over.
paul
> On Dec 29, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
>
> And this is why, despite all th
On 12/20/19 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I can't imagine many telcos are making a lot of money from voice anymore.
We are. Not as much as the olden days, but we are. And a lot of
companies charge surcharges to customers who have tons of short duration
calls. Do the math on why, and who
the calls, and the customers to block them.
(for what it's worth, the problem ones aren't on my network. I checked.)
-Paul
, but there is no one
strategy that works. You also will always risk blocking some good traffic.
Again, there's a reason why you can only mitigate and not stop a DDOS
completely.
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Nikos Leontsinis
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:19 PM
To: Aaron Gould ; 'Paul
, your provider or
your customers. The problem is figuring out where you want the traffic to be
rate-limited, stopped etc and that who's expense.
BTW those stresser services are usually free for a set about 0-15 min than you
must pay thus why its not ongoing.
Good luck,
Paul
I'll second Martijn's comment and add this: Never choose "Next Available."
It's the easy route up front but painful the rest of its life. We started
predetermining where we wanted each of our xconnects (regardless which colo
company) and submitting the port numbers with tickets / Equinix
I'm in search of someone from Charter who can help get a small ISP's
email servers off the blacklist for stny.rr.com. If you could reach out
off list, it would be much appreciated. (Email to
priorityescalationt...@charter.com was rejected as undeliverable.)
Kind regards,
Paul Gover, Adams
intrinsic reason,
things keep working.
This can impact performance, but is cheap insurance.
paul
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
> I do not normally post about firmware bugs, but I have this nightmare
> scenario running through my head of someone w
Is this an indication of a prefix that was highjacked?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:19 AM, Ben Cannon wrote:
>
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