Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-22 Thread Pete Templin
John van Oppen (list account) wrote: > I know I have experienced the engineering department there as well, the > best one was when they wanted paper documentation for every route I > asked to have in our filters... (and they were incapable of using > RADB). It was especially odd since we have >

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-22 Thread John van Oppen (list account)
ohn -Original Message- From: manolo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:23 AM To: Joe Greco Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets Well it also was the total arrogance on the part of Cogent engineering and management taking z

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-22 Thread manolo
Well it also was the total arrogance on the part of Cogent engineering and management taking zero responsibility and pushing it back everytime valid issue or not. You had to be there. But everyone has a different opinion, my opinion is set regardless of what cogent tries to sell me now. Mano

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-22 Thread Joe Greco
> Well it had sounded like I was in the minority and should keep my mouth > shut. But here goes. On several occasions the peer that would advertise > our routes would drop and with that the peer with the full bgp tables > would drop as well. This happened for months on end. They tried blaming >

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-22 Thread David Coulson
manolo wrote: > Well it had sounded like I was in the minority and should keep my mouth > shut. But here goes. On several occasions the peer that would advertise > our routes would drop and with that the peer with the full bgp tables > would drop as well. That doesn't sound like the problem has

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-22 Thread manolo
Well it had sounded like I was in the minority and should keep my mouth shut. But here goes. On several occasions the peer that would advertise our routes would drop and with that the peer with the full bgp tables would drop as well. This happened for months on end. They tried blaming our 6500,

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Wall
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:02 PM, manolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do have to say that the PSI net side of cogent is very good. We use > them in Europe without many issues. I stay far away from the legacy > cogent network in US. You still haven't explained the failure modes you've experience

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-21 Thread John van Oppen (list account)
ECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:03 PM To: Joe Greco Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets I do have to say that the PSI net side of cogent is very good. We use them in Europe without many issues. I stay far away from the legacy cogent network in US. Man

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-21 Thread manolo
I do have to say that the PSI net side of cogent is very good. We use them in Europe without many issues. I stay far away from the legacy cogent network in US. Manolo Joe Greco wrote: >> Joe Greco wrote: >> >>> For those unfamiliar, Cogent has a system where you set up an EBGP peering >>>

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-21 Thread Joe Greco
> > Joe Greco wrote: > > For those unfamiliar, Cogent has a system where you set up an EBGP peering > > with the Cogent router you're connected to, for the purposes of announcing > > your routes into Cogent. However, these are typically smaller, aggregation > > class routers, and do not handle fu

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-21 Thread David Coulson
Joe Greco wrote: > For those unfamiliar, Cogent has a system where you set up an EBGP peering > with the Cogent router you're connected to, for the purposes of announcing > your routes into Cogent. However, these are typically smaller, aggregation > class routers, and do not handle full tables - s

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-21 Thread Joe Greco
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 7:26 PM, manolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some things just never change at cogent.. fought them for months way > > back when to get me off their infamous 2 bgp peer setup after many an > > outage due to this setup, they finally put us on a single bgp session > > bu

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-20 Thread Paul Wall
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 7:26 PM, manolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some things just never change at cogent.. fought them for months way > back when to get me off their infamous 2 bgp peer setup after many an > outage due to this setup, they finally put us on a single bgp session > but it took

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-19 Thread manolo
Some things just never change at cogent.. fought them for months way back when to get me off their infamous 2 bgp peer setup after many an outage due to this setup, they finally put us on a single bgp session but it took forever. Lets just say cogent didn't last long at the company I worked for

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-19 Thread Martin Hannigan
It is Saturday after all. We generally are all aware of Cogents 'status'. You're not having a unique experience. Martin On 4/18/08, Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Crossed Fingers) > > Cogent's network seems "OK", for now. > > I've received several responses asking for details on how

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-19 Thread Joe Greco
> Same here... frequent packet loss. We had Cogent GigE service for about > 9 months if I recall - more than one major outage per month and packet > loss issues at least once a week. > > You get what you pay for (within reason) Cogent tends towards being a content network, and has occasional

Re: [Nanog] Cogent Router dropping packets

2008-04-18 Thread Mike Fedyk
(Crossed Fingers) Cogent's network seems "OK", for now. I've received several responses asking for details on how I would avoid Cogent. It looks like getting a connection to the AT&T network will allow us to serve our customers on their DSLS and use their direct peering to the Time Warner networ