On 6/19/23 02:10, Patrick Cole wrote:
Ciena has supported MPLS-TE on this platform for a long time not just
TP. Back 15+ years ago, I buit such a network. At the time, the
code was extremely green, did not support FRR, only active/standby
LSPs. Although it appeared to work fine in th
Lanner NCA-1516
-- Tom
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 9:15 AM Michel Blais
wrote:
> Pretty sure Ufispace S9502-12SM + IPInfusion OcNOS would work. VxLAN is
> supported in the IP Base licence. CRS license must be avoided for VxLAN.
> Look at the OcNOS feature matrix to make sure.
>
> Le mer. 14 juin 2
Pretty sure Ufispace S9502-12SM + IPInfusion OcNOS would work. VxLAN is
supported in the IP Base licence. CRS license must be avoided for VxLAN.
Look at the OcNOS feature matrix to make sure.
Le mer. 14 juin 2023 à 14:51, Adam Thompson a
écrit :
> Hello, all.
>
> I’m having difficulty finding ve
On 6/15/23 09:21, Ryan Hamel wrote:
It can't hold full tables for transit handoffs, but the customer can
establish multi-hop BGP sessions upstream for that.
Also, you don't really need to carry a full BGP table in FIB on a
Metro-E router. That is one of the reasons it can remain cheap. You
On 6/15/23 09:21, Ryan Hamel wrote:
I would never let the customer manage the CPE device, unless it was
through some customer portal where automation can do checks and
balances, nor have the device participate in a ring topology -- home
runs or bust. If the device fails or has an issue requi
am for
that.
Ryan Hamel
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On 6/15/23 07:53, Ryan Hamel wrote:
I fully agree here too. That's why I proposed a "smarter" CPE to
replace the standard appliances deployed on site, where the only thing
changing is the configuration on the device itself, not product being
handed off.
I'm just always concerned about havi
On 6/15/23 07:49, Ryan Hamel wrote:
If the customer's site goes offline, that is their problem. A CPE
device is still a CPE device, no matter how smart it is. Setup IS-IS,
BGP to route servers, LDP + MPLS if you don't go the VXLAN route, and
that's it.
So you have two issues here:
* If i
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On 6/14/23 21:16, Joe Freeman wrote:
I think
t boxes in the field as I speak. It works very well.
I also agree with your stance on Broadcom, it's hard to come up with
alternatives that are not ADVA/Ciena/Cisco/RAD.
Ryan Hamel
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On 6/14/23 22:06, Adam Thompson wrote:
The redundant links to the customer site that traverse independent
underlay carriers, and in some cases, equal-cost paths that we want to
load-balance across, are the hard part. I’m not going to trust STP
for that, and we aim for <3sec failover where w
On 6/15/23 07:22, Marco Paesani wrote:
Huawei NE8000-M1C
I envy folk who aren't mobile operators that are brave enough to run
Huawei for their IP/MPLS network deliberately, i.e., without influence
from "management" because they got a good deal :-).
Not for us.
Mark.
On 6/14/23 21:16, Joe Freeman wrote:
I think you’re probably overthinking this a bit.
Why do you need to extend your vxlan/evpn to the customer premise?
There are a number of 1G/10G even 100G CPE demarc devices out there
that push/pop tags, even q-in-q, or 802.1ad. Assuming you have some
t
On 6/14/23 22:04, Ryan Hamel wrote:
Putting the smart devices on the edge allows for a much-simplified
core topology.
Putting smart devices in the edge does simplify the network, yes. What
doesn't is making the customer's site part of your edge.
We've been running MPLS all the way into t
Huawei NE8000-M1C
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 07:20 Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 6/14/23 20:50, Adam Thompson wrote:
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I’m having difficulty finding vendors, never mind products, that fit my
> need.
>
>
>
> We have a small but growing number of L2 (bridged) customers that have
> divers
On 6/14/23 20:50, Adam Thompson wrote:
Hello, all.
I’m having difficulty finding vendors, never mind products, that fit
my need.
We have a small but growing number of L2 (bridged) customers that have
diverse fiber paths available, and, naturally, want to make use of them.
We have a solu
There may be a few more places to go searching. I am not saying you will
find anything, but worth looking into, assuming Mikrotik won't help. :)
Check out what various SD-WAN vendors have to offer. Now, SD-WAN has about
46 definitions, as many as vendors (surviving vendors that is), but
undernea
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The Juniper EX4100-F-12T is pretty nice. Fanless, 1RU, 4x SFP+, 2x 10G Copper
which can also be used
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Hello, all.
I’m having
Not sure how much of "CPE" it needs to be, but for example the whole Cisco
Catalyst 9K product line (including the smaller C9300 switches) support the
whole EVPN/VXLAN stack).
A similar set of products exist on the Arista side (e.g. 7xx switches) as
well as Juniper EX4400 products...
On Wed, Jun 1
hey,
equal-cost paths that we want to load-balance across, are the hard
part. I’m not going to trust STP for that, and we aim for <3sec
failover where we do have redundant paths. ERPS can handle the
failover, but not the load-balancing.
You have EVPN already, perhaps just use active-active
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I think you’re probably overthinking this a bit.
Why do you need to extend your vxlan/evpn to the customer premise? There are a
number of 1G/10
the vendor personally and have not worked on their hardware, so your mileage
may vary.
Ryan
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security. This way you’re not exposing your whole
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Thompson
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 2:52 PM
To: nanog
Subject: 10G CPE w/VXLAN - vendors?
Hello
Hello, all.
I’m having difficulty finding vendors, never mind products, that fit my need.
We have a small but growing number of L2 (bridged) customers that have diverse
fiber paths available, and, naturally, want to make use of them.
We have a solution for this: we extend the edge of our EVPN VXL
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