>
> Why on earth would I want to send it anywhere at all over the Internet?
>
> One already has to disassemble and inspect very closely almost all electronic
> gadgets so that the internal embeded spyware microphone and camera and
> wireless can be removed with pliers. This is just another thi
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:07 PM Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
> On 1/17/20 02:13, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> > From the web: the band 48 (3550-3700MHz) is for CBRS in US (Citizens'
> > band broadband service; I suppose something like voice between trucks)
>
>
> CBRS (and the soon to be former NN band)
Le 18/01/2020 à 09:33, Mark Tinka a écrit :
On 17/Jan/20 12:13, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
3. you refer to a potential Qualcomm 5G modem in second half of year
2020. I wonder whether there are public announcements for them? Or
will it be sufficient to firmware upgrade the iphone to make i
On 17/Jan/20 12:13, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> 3. you refer to a potential Qualcomm 5G modem in second half of year
> 2020. I wonder whether there are public announcements for them? Or
> will it be sufficient to firmware upgrade the iphone to make it carry
> a 5G label? (like Teslas are upda
>
> You refer to a certain NR protocol. (NR - New Radio). It is
> possible to check in 3GPP specs what precisely does it mean an 'NR
> protocol'. The questions to answer when searching would be something
> like: is it TDD or FDD? Is it SC-FDMA? And then compare these terms to
> what the iphone
On 1/17/20 02:13, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
From the web: the band 48 (3550-3700MHz) is for CBRS in US (Citizens'
band broadband service; I suppose something like voice between trucks)
CBRS (and the soon to be former NN band) doesn't have anything to do
with CB radios.
Mark, Shane,
I do agree that listing a 3.5 GHz band of frequencies does not
necessarily mean it's 5G.
Bu I would like to further clarify, if you permit:
1. From the web: The band 71 (UHF range) seems to be for 4G _and_ 5G.
Some descriptions on the web say so.
From the web: the band 42 (340
On 16/Jan/20 19:23, Shane Ronan wrote:
> The iPhone 11 does not have a 5G (NR) capable modem. The 3.5Ghz freq
> support is for the CBRS bands in the US.
>
> Support for 5G is not just a freq band support, it requires a
> chipset/modem capable of support the NR protocol.
Yes, exactly.
Word is
On 16/Jan/20 11:50, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> The list of bands seems long, much longer than what my eye is used to.
> It is an expression of new chips extremely parametrable and generic.
>
> The band 71 seems to have inside some specifics to 5G, somewhere in
> the UHF (hundreds of megahe
The iPhone 11 does not have a 5G (NR) capable modem. The 3.5Ghz freq
support is for the CBRS bands in the US.
Support for 5G is not just a freq band support, it requires a chipset/modem
capable of support the NR protocol.
Shane
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 11:24 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
alexandre.petre.
Le 16/01/2020 à 06:37, Mark Tinka a écrit :
On 15/Jan/20 12:20, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
Arcep (the regulator) today mentions 5G in 2020 will be mostly an
improved 4G, not the full plain 5G. (makes think of 4G+ which is
already widely available since some months).
This is an importan
On 15/Jan/20 12:20, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> Arcep (the regulator) today mentions 5G in 2020 will be mostly an
> improved 4G, not the full plain 5G. (makes think of 4G+ which is
> already widely available since some months).
This is an important point.
> iphone 11 is sold since Septe
Le 29/12/2019 à 23:49, Michael Thomas a écrit :
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/29/big-barrier-trump-5g-america-089883
An interesting article on the road to 5G that they need to about double
the size of the workforce to roll it out. I expect that this affects
some of you directly.
On 7/Jan/20 18:49, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
>
> I'm had some aquintance with this technology and participated once in
> WiFi network rollout on a relatively big stadium. All these wifi
> controllers have their limits that in my understanding are
> significantly lower than mobile networks. You c
Paul Nash писал 2020-01-06 18:45:
Depending on what you are after, folk like Ruckus and Cisco have had
centrally-managed enterprise WiFi for many years. I manage a Ruckus
installation for an apartment building where there is one SSID from
about 150 APs, users have a unique password per apartmen
On 7/Jan/20 01:45, Paul Nash wrote:
>>
>> Depending on what you are after, folk like Ruckus and Cisco have had
>> centrally-managed enterprise WiFi for many years.
I'm not talking about your garden-variety WLAN Controller.
Mark.
>
> There are some wi-fi vendors who I know (and am currently testing) that
> have developed very cool centralized management tools for their wi-fi
> AP's, that include very interesting AI logic. It is pricier than a
> simple standalone enterprise-grade AP, or an AP you'll get from down the
> stor
On 1/6/20 2:42 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
- On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote:
Hi,
On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low
orbit.
But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would p
- On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Andrey Kostin ank...@podolsk.ru wrote:
Hi,
> Sabri Berisha писал 2020-01-06 16:21:
> I predict that your in-flight wifi will become a lot cheaper as a result
> of this.
> On Lufthansa flights unlimited Internet access is 12 Euro, and 3 Euro is
> for "checking
- On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote:
Hi,
> On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>>
>> Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low
>> orbit.
> But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would probably hate it.
Oneweb claims 3
On 6/Jan/20 23:51, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
> On Lufthansa flights unlimited Internet access is 12 Euro, and 3 Euro
> is for "checking email". Don't think it's going to be cheaper, but
> higher speed - yes, definitely.
There is a certain joy that comes with being disconnected from the
world, eve
On 6/Jan/20 23:46, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
> I'm talking only about last mile access.
As a last mile technology, yes, wireless is fine. We use it today for
4G/LTE; it is a last mile.
But as a backhaul technology, it won't do. You need wire for that, at
least in 2020 anyway.
> Wireless is goi
On 6/Jan/20 23:44, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would probably hate it.
If the average consumer is the target market, we really might as well
terraform Mars :-).
Mark.
On 6/Jan/20 23:32, Michael Thomas wrote:
> Or not. It has always amazed me at how backward the bay area is wrt
> networking. The only one installing ftth in San Francisco is a small
> company called Sonic (that I'm aware of). And it's taking them years
> and years and years. The local telco's d
On 6/Jan/20 23:21, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
> It's actually the other way around. Geostationary satellites are exactly
> that: fixed in one location. Your dish always points to the same point in
> the sky. On the satellite side, transponders cover a specific geographic
> region at all times.
>
>
On 6/Jan/20 23:04, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> Seems to me that should be a pretty big consideration before signing a
> lease. But what I was really getting at is fiber to the building, with
> distribution unspecified. At least here in California -- the land of a
> million suburbs -- it's jus
Sabri Berisha писал 2020-01-06 16:21:
- On Jan 5, 2020, at 10:07 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu
wrote:
I predict that
your in-flight wifi will become a lot cheaper as a result of this.
Thanks,
Sabri
On Lufthansa flights unlimited Internet access is 12 Euro, and 3 Euro is
for "ch
Mark Tinka писал 2020-01-04 00:43:
On 4/Jan/20 00:26, Andrey Kostin wrote:
Could be true very soon. When supporting cable infrastructure will
become too expensive they will cut it in lieu of mobile, like many
railways were decomissioned earlier. Must be a local tipping point in
each area but i
On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low
orbit. This means that in order to serve a particular region, one must
deploy a constellation of satellites in order to ensure that at least one
transponder is always covering the
On 1/5/20 10:39 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 5/Jan/20 22:56, Michael Thomas wrote:
It occurs to me that what we're really quibbling about here is where
fiber ends.
Indeed.
The notion that wireless will replace fibre is misplaced. Wireless is
just so prevalent because folk don't want to be hook
- On Jan 5, 2020, at 10:07 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
Hi,
> On 5/Jan/20 22:37, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
>>
>> My instinct tells me it will be some form of low earth orbit satellites. In
>> the past I worked for a GEO satellite ISP and while that technology has its
>> drawbacks,
John D'Ambrosia писал 2020-01-05 07:48:
Sabri
At the very end you note 100base-t as a precursor to 400g. 100baset
really found its success as an access solution - computer connections.
400GbE will be an aggregation / core solution. It will be some time
if ever where 400GbE is used as an access
On 1/5/20 10:45 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 5/Jan/20 23:10, Michael Thomas wrote:
Aren't commercial and MDU just terminating the fiber at the building
and sending ethernet where it's needed?
Shane is right - some commercial buildings can make your life difficult
when trying to bring in fibre.
De : NANOG de la part de Sabri Berisha
Envoyé : samedi 4 janvier 2020 22:40
À : Mark Tinka
Cc : nanog
Objet : Re: 5G roadblock: labor
- On Jan 3, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
Hi,
>> I don't know about you, but I
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:18 PM William Herrin wrote:
>
> AFAIK, that's not correct. T-Mobile does provide IPv4 *on the device*
> but translates it to IPv6 (464xlat) before the packets leave the
> device for the network.
>
If only for that hotspot which I think is IPv4 only.
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM
: Brandon Butterworth
Cc: North American Network Operators Group
Subject: Re: 5G roadblock: labor
I know there are a couple companies doing it, but compute at the tower isn't
going to go anywhere. It makes very little sense to put it at the tower when
you can put it in one location per metro
That's if you can get your fiber into the building. Due to commercial
agreements many residential MDUs don't allow competitive carriers. 4G
didn't have the bandwidth, but with 5G, they can compete.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 4:10 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 1/5/20 1:05 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
> > T
This may be the case for single family homes, but bringing ftth into MDUs
can be very ezpensive, as building want to charge entry fees, etc.
Same goes for commercial buildings.
5G fixed wireless allows wireless to be used for the last mile, with the
user still taking advantage of WiFi indoors. An
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>
> --
> *From: *"Mark Tinka"
> *To: *"Saku Ytti"
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Friday, January 3, 2020 3:36:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: 5G roadblock: labor
>
Verizon is already offering fixed access 5G service with unlimited data for
$50.00/month in five cities.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 3:56 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 1/Jan/20 17:35, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
>
> >
> > If the mobile companies are providing the WiFi routers they can
> > control it (se
I think you are overestimating the existing network in most cases. And I say
this based on first hand experience at $dayjob MNO.
Shane
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> devices.
VoWIFI from your cell phone is essentially the same thing, except your
phone has to build a tunnel to the providers EPC via an SGW because of the
untrusted connectivity.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 12/30/19 4:41 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
>
> Look up VoLTE.
>
>
> Yeah
Look up VoLTE.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:39 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 12/30/19 4:19 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
> >
> > I really don't want to go diving down the 3GPP document hole...
>
>
> Yeah, no kidding. It's like acronym soup. I've been trying all afternoon
> to figure out vowifi and a
The reason IoT comes into play with 5G is desification. A 4G base station
can support X number of UE (User Equipment - phones, mifis, CatM IoT
modems, etc) based on the LTE protocol. 5G allows X times N number of UE's
per base station, which will allows the network to support the planned
proliferat
;
> --
> *From: *"Sabri Berisha"
> *To: *"Brian J. Murrell"
> *Cc: *"nanog"
> *Sent: *Monday, December 30, 2019 6:52:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: 5G roadblock: labor
>
> - On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Brian J. Murre
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 19:35, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> How absolutely awful that must be, to always be relegated to slow and
> insecure childrens band. I turn off childrens band (WiFi) on my phone
> with extreme prejudice and it stays that way. I have yet to meet a
> childrens band networ
On 5/Jan/20 23:10, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> Aren't commercial and MDU just terminating the fiber at the building
> and sending ethernet where it's needed?
Shane is right - some commercial buildings can make your life difficult
when trying to bring in fibre. I've typically found this to be t
On 5/Jan/20 22:56, Michael Thomas wrote:
> It occurs to me that what we're really quibbling about here is where
> fiber ends.
Indeed.
The notion that wireless will replace fibre is misplaced. Wireless is
just so prevalent because folk don't want to be hooked up to some kind
of wire. It limits
On 5/Jan/20 22:37, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
> My instinct tells me it will be some form of low earth orbit satellites. In
> the past I worked for a GEO satellite ISP and while that technology has its
> drawbacks, those are mostly resolved with transponders in LEO.
As a method to reach the 03b +
On 1/5/20 1:05 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
This may be the case for single family homes, but bringing ftth into
MDUs can be very ezpensive, as building want to charge entry fees, etc.
Same goes for commercial buildings.
5G fixed wireless allows wireless to be used for the last mile, with
the use
On 1/5/20 3:21 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
I think we can all agree that the future is wireless access for
everything (phones, tablets, laptops, domestic appliances, e.t.c.).
The question isn't about whether the kids will be using wire or
wireless... we know they will be using wireless. The questio
- On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:48 AM, John D'Ambrosia jdambro...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
> At the very end you note 100base-t as a precursor to 400g. 100baset really
> found its success as an access solution - computer connections. 400GbE will
> be
> an aggregation / core solution. It will be some t
- On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
Hi,
> The question isn't about whether the kids will be using wire or
> wireless... we know they will be using wireless. The question is what
> that wireless will be. Something has to drive the wireless, so the wire
> (mostl
On 5/Jan/20 14:48, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
> Sabri
> At the very end you note 100base-t as a precursor to 400g. 100baset really
> found its success as an access solution - computer connections. 400GbE will
> be an aggregation / core solution. It will be some time if ever where 400GbE
> is
Sabri
At the very end you note 100base-t as a precursor to 400g. 100baset really
found its success as an access solution - computer connections. 400GbE will be
an aggregation / core solution. It will be some time if ever where 400GbE is
used as an access solution - perhaps some hpc applicatio
On 5/Jan/20 00:40, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if you know how that plan works, but domestic I have unlimited
> data at a fair speed (10s of Mbit/s). My foreign data is also unlimited
> but throttled at 256kbps. Which is good enough for me.
>
> Of course they will. But the consumer
- On Jan 3, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
Hi,
>> I don't know about you, but I rarely use those. My T-Mobile plan has
>> unlimited data and coverage is adequate for me. It even works abroad, so
>> unless I need high speed data I'm fine with the included 256kbps.
>>
On 4/Jan/20 12:44, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG wrote:
>
> It's happening where I live, now. My ISP recently announced that all
> the POTS lines, and any network connectivity over them, would be
> decommissioned shortly, and affected subscribers moved to cellular
> instead. It's happening all
On 4/Jan/20 08:37, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
> it's nor really except that a bunch of the radio/client management is
> 'easier' in cellular than in wifi. managing roaming COULD be saner as
> well even, so when you walk out of the shop and off their pico-cell
> you can transition the running c
Andrey Kostin writes:
> Could be true very soon. When supporting cable infrastructure will
> become too expensive they will cut it in lieu of mobile, like many
> railways were decomissioned earlier. Must be a local tipping point in
> each area but it shouldn't be long to wait.
It's happening whe
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:26 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3/Jan/20 21:49, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
> > the local folk have been pimping the idea that: "hey, just run a
> > 4g/lte/g5 cell service inside your building/business, backhaul over
> > cable-modem/etc and jam on..."
>
> How is this d
On 4/Jan/20 00:26, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
> Could be true very soon. When supporting cable infrastructure will
> become too expensive they will cut it in lieu of mobile, like many
> railways were decomissioned earlier. Must be a local tipping point in
> each area but it shouldn't be long to wai
On 4/Jan/20 00:12, William Herrin wrote:
>
> The day is coming when your "phone" records and streams 360 degree
> panoramic high-resolution video to the cloud all the time unless you
> intentionally turn it off. An so does everyone else's around you. It
> probably isn't as far away as you think
On 4/Jan/20 00:06, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
> Currently /me don't bother switching to wifi in public places bcz LTE
> provides enough bw for my humble needs.
When I'm in South Africa, same for me, because:
* Most hotels, restaurants, shops, and airport lounges still use ADSL.
So the wi-fi
On 3/Jan/20 23:53, Sabri Berisha wrote:
> That depends on where we are. Most of the time it is at home, over wi-fi.
> However, sometimes they chat while my daughter is walking to school. At
> some point, I worked in SoCal while the family still lived in the Bay Area.
> Very often, grandpa kep
On 3/Jan/20 21:49, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> the local folk have been pimping the idea that: "hey, just run a
> 4g/lte/g5 cell service inside your building/business, backhaul over
> cable-modem/etc and jam on..."
How is this different from just hooking up your wi-fi AP to fibre and
offering
On 3/Jan/20 20:42, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
> Mike, I'd caution your use of: "other than in the bowels of large
> buildings" there... In office buildings (or residential buildings)
> which are LEED certified often you get glass coatings which reflect
> radio emissions (both reflect IN and re
On 3/Jan/20 20:38, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
> There are some folk local to my office who often speak about
> wifi/cellular and have some fairly decent knowledge about the
> technology and deployment/management/etc... One thing they've made
> clear (and our enterprise wireless folk echo this,
On 3/Jan/20 20:35, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> How absolutely awful that must be, to always be relegated to slow and
> insecure childrens band. I turn off childrens band (WiFi) on my phone with
> extreme prejudice and it stays that way. I have yet to meet a childrens band
> network (WiFi) that
On 3/Jan/20 17:38, Paul Nash wrote:
> They’d probably choose whichever popped un onto the device first.
I don't know about Android-based phones, but my iPhone ALWAYS wants
wi-fi, whether it came before or after GSM. At times, the prompting to
say, "Hey, there is a wi-fi hot spot right here, do
On 3/Jan/20 16:25, Ca By wrote:
> Mark, you are oversimplifying the market
Isn't that how the kids see it, though :-).
>
> 1. All wireless networks are capped by spectrum capacity / physica.
> As a user, you have been on a congested cell site and a congested
> 802.11 AP. So, as an operator
On 3/Jan/20 15:56, Shane Ronan wrote:
> In locations with high population densities, there is nothing you can
> do to LTE to provide adequate service.
But doesn't it, then, follow that high-density locations tend to have
plenty of wi-fi? Public and private?
For me, the risk I see to MNO's is th
On 3/Jan/20 15:40, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Not to mention manufacturers are finally focusing on the in-home WiFi
> that is usually the worst part of someone's Internet experience due to
> a lack of adequate coverage, interference, etc.
They had to when folk like Google (OnHub, Google WiFi) appeare
On 3/Jan/20 14:11, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Verizon is already offering fixed access 5G service with unlimited
> data for $50.00/month in five cities.
I'd be curious to know how long they can sustain that unlimited service for.
A company, over here, called Rain, have just launched their 5G offerin
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:17 PM William Herrin wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:11 PM Ca By wrote:
> > You are not using ipv4 today.
> >
> > The scenario you describe, using facetime (iOS) on T-Mobile US, you are
> not using ipv4 on the device. T-Mobile does not assign ipv4 addresses to
> iOS o
Sabri Berisha писал 2020-01-03 16:53:
I predict that there will be a time where, just like POTS lines were
exchanged for cellular phones, people will disconnect their cable
internet
and rely on 6g or 7g alone. And probably still with IPv4 addresses.
Could be true very soon. When supporting
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:11 PM Ca By wrote:
> You are not using ipv4 today.
>
> The scenario you describe, using facetime (iOS) on T-Mobile US, you are not
> using ipv4 on the device. T-Mobile does not assign ipv4 addresses to iOS or
> Android devices in default scenarios, has not for years.
>
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:11 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane Ronan wrote:
> > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want
> > or need 25mbits to your phone,
>
> Who needs 25mbits to their phone?
Nobody. But I do need 25mbs and more to
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Sabri Berisha wrote:
> - On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:00 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
>
> > On 2/Jan/20 21:02, Sabri Berisha wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Maybe you're just dating yourself here :) I use video calling on an
> almost
> >> daily basis with my family l
Mark Tinka писал 2020-01-03 04:36:
And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the
option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd
choose?
Currently /me don't bother switching to wifi in public places bcz LTE
provides enough bw for my humble needs.
- On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:00 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
> On 2/Jan/20 21:02, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe you're just dating yourself here :) I use video calling on an almost
>> daily basis with my family living in another country, 9 timezones away. My
>> daughter can spend
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:21 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Right. I didn't want to spend too much of my time delving into any and all
> situations where it'll vary.
>
ok, fair enough :)
> I wonder how much the sub 1 GHz penetrates the buildings anyway if the
> transmitter is at the street.
>
>
> 5
t; , "Shane Ronan"
, "North American Network Operators' Group"
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:42:39 PM
Subject: Re: 5G roadblock: labor
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Throughput is (mostly) a function of channel size, modulation, and
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Throughput is (mostly) a function of channel size, modulation, and signal to
> noise ratio.
>
> Coverage is (mostly) a function of frequency, radiated power, obstacles, and
> signal to noise ratio.
>
>
> Other than in the bowels of large bui
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:37 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
>
> On 3/Jan/20 11:25, Saku Ytti wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G question, only thing 5G does
> > is help markets which struggle to provide sufficient service in dense
> > metro installations.
>
> Which brings us full
On Friday, 3 January, 2020 10:53, Radu-Adrian Feurdean
wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 16:38, Paul Nash wrote:
>>> And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the
>>> option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd
>>> choose?
>> They’d probably choo
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 16:38, Paul Nash wrote:
> > And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the
> > option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd choose?
>
> They’d probably choose whichever popped un onto the device first.
Don't know how things
> And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the
> option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd choose?
They’d probably choose whichever popped un onto the device first.
FWIW, Rogers in Canada are moving to unlimited cellular data, with a monthly
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To: "Mike Hammett" , "Shane Ronan"
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group"
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:56 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
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> On 1/Jan/20 17:35, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
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> > If the mobile companies are providing the WiFi routers they can
> > control it (see LTE WiFi attempt) and one day replace it with
> > 5G or 6G in all the things. If they make a better j
bject: Re: 5G roadblock: labor
Why?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Shane Ronan" mailto:sh...@ronan-online.com>>
To: "Mike Hammett" mailto:na.
Group"
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 7:56:57 AM
Subject: Re: 5G roadblock: labor
In locations with high population densities, there is nothing you can do to LTE
to provide adequate service.
Shane
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 8:46 AM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
Obviou
not gigs of capacity with LTE.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mark Tinka"
To: "Saku Ytti"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 3:36:52 AM
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http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "Mark Tinka"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 2:51:46 AM
Subject: Re: 5G roadblock: labor
On 1/Jan/20 16:29, jdambro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Given the deployment of Wi-Fi into so many different a
On 3/Jan/20 11:25, Saku Ytti wrote:
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> Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G question, only thing 5G does
> is help markets which struggle to provide sufficient service in dense
> metro installations.
Which brings us full circle - what's the cost of hooking those dense
cities up to 5G in
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 11:15, Mark Tinka wrote:
> If your market can offer 50Mbps of 4G for EUR20/month with a 20GB data
> cap, chances are there is fibre nearby, either for your office, or your
> home, or both. If there isn't, something is smelling...
Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G qu
On 3/Jan/20 10:58, Saku Ytti wrote:
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> Williams comment seems somewhat market specific and perhaps even
> overly negative. Mostly 5G is about better radio performance in dense
> metro installations, uninteresting metric for many markets. Some
> markets already do +20GB/month _average_ on 4G su
On 2/Jan/20 21:02, Sabri Berisha wrote:
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> Maybe you're just dating yourself here :) I use video calling on an almost
> daily basis with my family living in another country, 9 timezones away. My
> daughter can spend hours in her ipad "playing" with grandpa, live on video.
True, but how often
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 10:53, Mark Tinka wrote:
> > 5G is mostly about getting more unregulated data-related fees.
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> Well, the kids don't want to pay for data. Heck, neither do I.
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> On that basis alone, Any-G won't kill wi-fi :-).
Williams comment seems somewhat market specific and perhaps ev
On 2/Jan/20 18:41, joel jaeggli wrote:
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> The bottom of a tower is a fantastically expensive piece of real estate
> to collocate something in. If you're financing the development of such
> realestate it may sound great, but if you're leasing, it is sort of
> outlandish, especially if you want .
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