Re: Akamai connectivity issue across several states

2024-07-08 Thread Jared Mauch
Hello, just saw this - I'll ping you off-list. On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 04:07:09PM +, Schylar Utley wrote: >We are seeing significant connectivity issues across several states to >what appears to be only Akamai served websites. > > > >Most of

Akamai connectivity issue across several states

2024-07-08 Thread Schylar Utley
We are seeing significant connectivity issues across several states to what appears to be only Akamai served websites. Most of all the traceroutes to impacted sites, when they are impacted, go through Dallas Equinix. For instance, we are not seeing responses from Akamai network when packets

Re: Packet loss and latency between Akamai and NTT in Miami

2024-05-22 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
fered help, I believe these kind of situations is where the value of the *NOG communities is actually seen and appreciated. /Carlos On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 2:40 PM Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: > > Any contacts with either Akamai or NTT here ? > > This is kind of important as this i

Re: Packet loss and latency between Akamai and NTT in Miami

2024-05-17 Thread Aaron Atac via NANOG
Responding off list. -Aaron May 17, 2024 at 12:42 PM by carlosm3...@gmail.com: > Any contacts with either Akamai or NTT here ? > > This is kind of important as this is affecting three of our RPKI > publication servers (servers which I have de-priorized in Route53 to > prevent any

Re: Packet loss and latency between Akamai and NTT in Miami

2024-05-17 Thread Ben Cartwright-Cox via NANOG
s/default/files/10_Roisman_Traceroute.pdf On Fri, May 17, 2024, 18:42 Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: > Any contacts with either Akamai or NTT here ? > > This is kind of important as this is affecting three of our RPKI > publication servers (servers which I have de-priorized in Route53 to > pre

Packet loss and latency between Akamai and NTT in Miami

2024-05-17 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
Any contacts with either Akamai or NTT here ? This is kind of important as this is affecting three of our RPKI publication servers (servers which I have de-priorized in Route53 to prevent any issues for RPs) I have a ticket open with Akamai but I'm not directly an NTT customer so any he

Re: Akamai contact

2024-03-20 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 06:26:24PM +, Liviu Danicel wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone from Akamai on the list ? I have a banned /24 subnet and would like to > discuss it. Yes, I would suggest checking this page as well from an IP where you are experiencing the i

Akamai contact

2024-03-20 Thread Liviu Danicel
Hello, Anyone from Akamai on the list ? I have a banned /24 subnet and would like to discuss it. Liviu

Re: Akamai AANP minimum traffic?

2024-02-22 Thread Tim Burke
e I'm not with Akamai, but I requested a > cache maybe a year or so ago. At the time I was told they were moving away > from caching unless you were doing well over 100Gbps consistently, just due > to the massive scale of their data not lending itself well to caching in > sm

Re: Akamai AANP minimum traffic?

2024-02-22 Thread Clayton Zekelman
ption. At 02:29 PM 2024-02-22, Aaron1 wrote: Akamai AANP was the first CDN in my network… ~2010’ish ¦I forget what the minimum requirement was back then, but wanted to let you know that around 2018/2019 they started telling me they wanted to pull the caches from my network. It wasn’t

Re: Akamai AANP minimum traffic?

2024-02-22 Thread Aaron1
Akamai AANP was the first CDN in my network… ~2010’ish…I forget what the minimum requirement was back then, but wanted to let you know that around 2018/2019 they started telling me they wanted to pull the caches from my network. It wasn’t until like last year sometime that they were telling me

RE: Akamai AANP minimum traffic?

2024-02-22 Thread John Stitt
I can't speak with authority since I'm not with Akamai, but I requested a cache maybe a year or so ago. At the time I was told they were moving away from caching unless you were doing well over 100Gbps consistently, just due to the massive scale of their data not lending itself well

Akamai AANP minimum traffic?

2024-02-22 Thread Tom Samplonius
Does anyone know what the minimum traffic is to qualify for an Akamai AANP cache? Tom

Re: Akamai Network Partnership

2023-10-18 Thread Steven Schecter
Depending on the network size, an IX or PNI are typically more beneficial as you'll gain access to a larger footprint of different Akamai deployments types. Akamai continues to support an open peering policy at Internet Exchanges, so please reach out to peering-...@akamai.com and a member o

Re: Akamai Network Partnership

2023-10-17 Thread Tim Burke
Yeah, when I submitted inquiry to them, they are preferring PNIs instead simply due to the huge amount of data storage involved. I filled out the form at https://www.akamai.com/solutions/industries/network-operator/akamai-network-partnerships and received a response pretty quickly. On Oct 17

Re: Akamai Network Partnership

2023-10-17 Thread Aaron1
eeringdb.com account and go to their network, they have a > peering contact listed there. > > > > https://www.peeringdb.com/net/2 > > > > > > > From: NANOG on behalf of > em...@edylie.net > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 5:10 PM > To:

Re: Akamai Network Partnership

2023-10-17 Thread Justin Krejci
Subject: Akamai Network Partnership Dear All, May I know if anyone could guide me to the right contact for Akamai Network Partnership? We are a network operator in Indonesia and is keen to work with Akamai to speed up access to Akamai Content. Many Thanks. Best Regards, Edy

Akamai Network Partnership

2023-10-17 Thread email
Dear All, May I know if anyone could guide me to the right contact for Akamai Network Partnership? We are a network operator in Indonesia and is keen to work with Akamai to speed up access to Akamai Content. Many Thanks. Best Regards, Edy

Re: AKAMAI, Re: Apple blocking all AS29852 iCloud traffic, residential gigabit last mile provider in NYC.

2023-08-18 Thread Eric Kuhnke
he usual ongoing issues to deal with that are faced by any provider that operates free amenity wifi in public spaces (roof terraces, lobbies, social rooms etc) in large condo buildings. We have some sites that are 600 suites in one building. We just got the following from Akamai. This present issue

Re: AKAMAI, Re: Apple blocking all AS29852 iCloud traffic, residential gigabit last mile provider in NYC.

2023-08-18 Thread Dobbins, Roland via NANOG
On 18 Aug 2023, at 08:28, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Additionally this appears to have a strong correlation with everything that is hosted by Akamai Edge. Akamai, we are a fairly mundane last mile operator… It might be a good idea to analyze your outbound traffic in order to determine if you/your

AKAMAI, Re: Apple blocking all AS29852 iCloud traffic, residential gigabit last mile provider in NYC.

2023-08-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Additionally this appears to have a strong correlation with everything that is hosted by Akamai Edge. Akamai, we are a fairly mundane last mile operator... On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 4:58 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I am directly in contact with the right people and team now. > > On Thu, Aug 17

Anyone from Akamai available?

2023-05-26 Thread David Hubbard
Trying to determine an outage issue between Akamai and 33398; any Akamai folks on here? Thanks, David

AKAMAI CDN

2023-01-12 Thread Nielsen Kaezer
I'm interested ASN 53172

Re: AKAMAI CDN

2023-01-12 Thread Niels Bakker
I can put you in touch with your account manager, what's your ASN? -- Niels. * pascalma...@gmail.com (Pascal Masha) [Thu 12 Jan 2023, 12:21 CET]: Hello, Anyone from Akamai responsible for making decisions on cluster scaling /refresh here? Kindly contact me offlist. Regards Pa

AKAMAI CDN

2023-01-12 Thread Pascal Masha
Hello, Anyone from Akamai responsible for making decisions on cluster scaling /refresh here? Kindly contact me offlist. Regards Paschal Masha

Re: AKAMAI Contact

2022-09-28 Thread Jared Mauch
Please ping me off list. Thanks. Sent via RFC1925 compliant device > On Sep 28, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Joshua Pool via NANOG wrote: > >  > Anyone have a contact for AKAMAI? > > Thanks in advance. > > Josh

Re: AKAMAI Contact

2022-09-28 Thread jim deleskie
Seriously search the list people. Even a little effort on your own. Same question a few days ago. -jim On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 3:45 PM Joshua Pool via NANOG wrote: > Anyone have a contact for AKAMAI? > > Thanks in advance. > > Josh >

AKAMAI Contact

2022-09-28 Thread Joshua Pool via NANOG
Anyone have a contact for AKAMAI? Thanks in advance. Josh

Re: Akamai Contact/Issues

2022-09-27 Thread Niels Bakker
* t...@visnetworkrd.com (George Toma) [Tue 27 Sep 2022, 17:14 CEST]: Jared I would be also interested in what you said in reply to Dustin Brooks about Akamai contact as in the past we have experienced similar problem, and trying to resolve it with the Akamai EdgeScape support we ran into a

Re: Akamai Contact/Issues

2022-09-27 Thread George Toma
Jared I would be also interested in what you said in reply to Dustin Brooks about Akamai contact as in the past we have experienced similar problem, and trying to resolve it with the Akamai EdgeScape support we ran into a stonewall of not being an Akamai client (I understand EdgeScape is the one

Re: Akamai Contact/Issues

2022-09-26 Thread Jared Mauch
You can ping me off list. Thanks. Sent via RFC1925 compliant deviceOn Sep 26, 2022, at 1:39 PM, Dustin Brooks wrote: Anyone having issues with sites hosted by Akamai?  We have several users within a single /24 that are not able to access several (go.microsoft.com, www.irs.gov, adobe.com

Akamai Contact/Issues

2022-09-26 Thread Dustin Brooks
Anyone having issues with sites hosted by Akamai? We have several users within a single /24 that are not able to access several (go.microsoft.com, www.irs.gov<http://www.irs.gov>, adobe.com, npr.org, just to name a few). I’ve tried emailing Akamai but I get a canned response “you don’

Re: Akamai Peering

2022-07-26 Thread Jared Mauch
) so we can move the traffic to a direct path. If you have a 10G port and want to swap it to a 100G port, we should have that conversation. - Jared On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 08:27:09AM -0500, Paul Emmons wrote: > Akamai isn't supporting 10g ports on IXPs. I'd be surprised

Re: Akamai Peering

2022-07-26 Thread Paul Emmons
Akamai isn't supporting 10g ports on IXPs. I'd be surprised if the allowed it on PNIs. As for not being on the IXPs, that's odd. On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 8:23 AM Jawaid Bazyar wrote: > Hi, > > > > We had Akamai servers in our data center for many years until a

Akamai Peering

2022-07-26 Thread Jawaid Bazyar
Hi, We had Akamai servers in our data center for many years until a couple years ago, when they said they’d changed their policies and decommissioned the servers. I understand that, maintaining many server sites and being responsible for that hardware, even if you pay nothing for power or

Re: Anyone have contacts for Akamai GeoIP

2022-03-02 Thread Jared Mauch
Yup.. ping me with the details off-list - Jared > On Mar 2, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Christopher Munz-Michielin > wrote: > > Hey All, > > Hoping someone has a contact at Akamai who can assist. > > As part of my day job I run a DNS network and we've been having issue

Anyone have contacts for Akamai GeoIP

2022-03-02 Thread Christopher Munz-Michielin
Hey All, Hoping someone has a contact at Akamai who can assist. As part of my day job I run a DNS network and we've been having issues with Akamai mis-locating the geolocation of some of our revolvers.  The most egregious example is our resolver in Frankfurt being classified as Austr

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-27 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hello, On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 21:02, heasley wrote: > > But I have to emphasize that all those are just examples. Unknown bugs > > or corner cases can lead to similar behavior in "all in one" daemons > > like Fort and Routinator. That's why specific improvements absolutely > > do not mean we don

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-27 Thread Lukas Tribus
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 16:10, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 7/26/21 19:04, Lukas Tribus wrote: > > > rpki-client can only remove outdated VRP's, if it a) actually runs and > > b) if it successfully completes a validation cycle. It also needs to > > do this BEFORE the RTR server distributes data. >

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-27 Thread heasley
Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 07:04:41PM +0200, Lukas Tribus: > Hello! > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 17:50, heasley wrote: > > > > Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 02:20:39PM +0200, Lukas Tribus: > > > rpki-client 7.1 emits a new per VRP attribute: expires, which makes it > > > possible for RTR servers to stop consideri

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/26/21 19:04, Lukas Tribus wrote: rpki-client can only remove outdated VRP's, if it a) actually runs and b) if it successfully completes a validation cycle. It also needs to do this BEFORE the RTR server distributes data. If rpki-client for whatever reason doesn't complete a validation c

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-26 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hello! On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 17:50, heasley wrote: > > Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 02:20:39PM +0200, Lukas Tribus: > > rpki-client 7.1 emits a new per VRP attribute: expires, which makes it > > possible for RTR servers to stop considering outdated VRP's: > > https://github.com/rpki-client/rpki-client-o

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/26/21 17:50, heasley wrote: Since rpki-client removes "outdated" (expired) VRPs, how does an RTR server "stop considering" something that does not exist from its PoV? Did you mean that it can warn about impending expiration? StayRTR reads the VRP data generated by rpki-client. Mark.

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-26 Thread heasley
Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 02:20:39PM +0200, Lukas Tribus: > rpki-client 7.1 emits a new per VRP attribute: expires, which makes it > possible for RTR servers to stop considering outdated VRP's: > https://github.com/rpki-client/rpki-client-openbsd/commit/9e48b3b6ad416f40ac3b5b265351ae0bb13ca925 Since rp

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/26/21 14:20, Lukas Tribus wrote: Some specific failure scenarios are currently being addressed, but this doesn't make monitoring optional: rpki-client 7.1 emits a new per VRP attribute: expires, which makes it possible for RTR servers to stop considering outdated VRP's: https://github.c

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-26 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hello, On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 at 11:40, Mark Tinka wrote: > I can count, on my hands, the number of RPKI-related outages that we > have experienced, and all of them have turned out to be a > misunderstanding of how ROA's work, either by customers or some other > network on the Internet. The good ne

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/26/21 07:25, Saku Ytti wrote: Doesn't matter. And I'm not trying to say RPKI is a bad thing. I like that we have good AS:origin mapping that is verifiable and machine readable, that part of the solution will be needed for many applications which intend to improve the Internet by some met

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Saku Ytti
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 21:41, Mark Tinka wrote: > Are you speaking globally, or for NTT? Doesn't matter. And I'm not trying to say RPKI is a bad thing. I like that we have good AS:origin mapping that is verifiable and machine readable, that part of the solution will be needed for many applicatio

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/25/21 17:32, Saku Ytti wrote: Steering dangerously off-topic from this thread, we have so far had more operational and availability issues from RPKI than from hijacks. And it is a bit more embarrassing to say 'we cocked up' than to say 'someone leaked to internet, it be like it do'. Ar

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Randy Bush
7;do better' can achieve, we have to assume we have similar level of > outage potential in all work we've produced and continue to produce > for which we exert very little control over. > > I think the mean-time-to-repair actions described are more actionable > than the 'do

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Saku Ytti
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 18:14, Jared Mauch wrote: > How can we improve response times when things are routed poorly? Time to > mitigate hijacks is improved my majority of providers doing RPKI OV, but > interprovider response time scales are much longer. I also think about the > two big CTL long

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Jared Mauch
very strong culture around risk and risk avoidance whenever possible at akamai. Some minor changes are taken very seriously. I appreciate that on a daily basis, and when we make mistakes (I am human after all) are made, reviews of the mistakes and corrective steps are planned and followed up on.

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/25/21 08:18, Saku Ytti wrote: Hey, Not a critique against Akamai specifically, it applies just the same to me. Everything seems so complex and fragile. Very often the corrective and preventive actions appear to be different versions and wordings of 'dont make mistakes', in

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Indeed.  Worth rereading for that reason alone (or in particular). Miles Fidelman Hank Nussbacher wrote: On 23/07/2021 09:24, Hank Nussbacher wrote: From Akamai.  How companies and vendors should report outages: [07:35 UTC on July 24, 2021] Update: Root Cause: This configuration directive

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-25 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 25/07/2021 09:18, Saku Ytti wrote: Hey, Not a critique against Akamai specifically, it applies just the same to me. Everything seems so complex and fragile. Complex systems are apt to break and only a very limited set of tier-3 engineers will understand what needs to be done to fix it

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-24 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, Not a critique against Akamai specifically, it applies just the same to me. Everything seems so complex and fragile. Very often the corrective and preventive actions appear to be different versions and wordings of 'dont make mistakes', in this case: - Reviewing and improving in

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-24 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 23/07/2021 09:24, Hank Nussbacher wrote: From Akamai.  How companies and vendors should report outages: [07:35 UTC on July 24, 2021] Update: Root Cause: This configuration directive was sent as part of preparation for independent load balancing control of a forthcoming product. Updates to

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 22/07/2021 19:34, Mark Tinka wrote: https://edgedns.status.akamai.com/ Mark. [18:30 UTC on July 22, 2021] Update: Akamai experienced a disruption with our DNS service on July 22, 2021. The disruption began at 15:45 UTC and lasted for approximately one hour. Affected customer sites were

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
tages (proper) mailing list, > including messages about the Akamai issue. > > I'd be surprised if the Outages Discussion mailing list was on different > infrastructure. > > I am now seeing some messages sent to Outages (proper) as if others aren't > seeing messages (about

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 7/22/21 10:56 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and outages-discussion lists too. I received multiple messages from the Outages (proper) mailing list, including messages about the Akamai issue. I'd be surprised if the Ou

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jul 22, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > > The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and > outages-discussion lists too. > > Kinda like having a fire at the 911 dispatch center… Should not have impacted me in my hosting of the list. Obviously if the dom

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and outages-discussion lists too. Kinda like having a fire at the 911 dispatch center... Andy Ringsmuth 5609 Harding Drive Lincoln, NE 68521-5831 (402) 304-0083 a...@andyring.com “Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Fr

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/22/21 18:50, Matt Harris wrote: Seems to be clearing up at this point, was able to get to a site just now that I wasn't a little bit ago. Yes, seems to be restoring...     https://twitter.com/akamai/status/1418251400660889603?s=28 Mark.

Re: Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Matt Harris
Matt Harris|Infrastructure Lead 816-256-5446|Direct Looking for help? Helpdesk|Email Support We build customized end-to-end technology solutions powered by NetFire Cloud. On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > https://edgedns.status.akamai.com/ > > Mark. > Seems to be clearing up

Global Akamai Outage

2021-07-22 Thread Mark Tinka
https://edgedns.status.akamai.com/ Mark.

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-06 Thread Charles Polisher
On 4/5/21 10:23 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote: What happened is that it would create a kind of internal DDoS and they would all timed out and give a weird error message. Something very useful like Error Code 0x8098808 Please call our support l

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-05 Thread Robert Brockway
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote: What happened is that it would create a kind of internal DDoS and they would all timed out and give a weird error message. Something very useful like Error Code 0x8098808 Please call our support line at this phone number. If only there was

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread aaron1
Yes, I was reaching out to my NANOG folks to find out as you stated... "Hey I was curious what happened and I thought to ask here on NANOG?" I appreciate the membership with you all and value your position and visibility in regional, continental and global operations. Thanks for your insights,

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Mike Hammett
ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Jared Mauch" To: "Dave Brockman - DVS" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 7:08:09 AM Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:31:39PM -0400, Dave Brockman -

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 08:09:24PM +, Luke Guillory wrote: > IX’s don’t really help the source doesn’t use them. > > Akamai traffic. > 17G via Local Cache > 17G via Transit > 8G via IXs. > > Plenty of room on IXs for more on our side. Often we can see the por

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Jared Mauch
gt; >> but more at the game level. Well, ISP could also have some mechanisms > >> to reduce the impact or even Akamai could force a progressive roll out. > > > > It's an online game. You can't play the game with outdated assets. You'd > > not see wa

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Dave Brockman - DVS
to reduce the impact or even Akamai could force a progressive roll out. > > It's an online game. You can't play the game with outdated assets. You'd > not see walls where other players would, for example. > > What you're suggesting is the ability of ISPs to

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread d...@darwincosta.com
> On 2 Apr 2021, at 11:47, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 4/2/21 01:41, Tony Wicks wrote: >> >> Local backhaul is plentiful and relatively cheap where as subsea wavelengths >> are extremely expensive and require months of planning. > > Funny, it's the exact opposite for us. Yup, it is...

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/2/21 01:41, Tony Wicks wrote: Local backhaul is plentiful and relatively cheap where as subsea wavelengths are extremely expensive and require months of planning. Funny, it's the exact opposite for us. Mark.

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/2/21 00:56, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: And after all that, I still do not see what we are arguing about? You want the game companies to change their business model, but you do not want to change yours. Please do not say something like “but if they just ….” Unless you want the game com

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/1/21 21:01, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote: Are big games roll out really impacting NANOG? or it's more a: Hey I was curious what happened and I thought to ask here on NANOG? The latter, I'd say. Mark.

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread aaron1
avrichenkov' Cc: 'NANOG' Subject: RE: wow, lots of akamai I remembered working for a big ISP in Europe offering cable tv + internet with +20M subscribers Every time there was a huge power outage in major cities, all tv`s would go off at the same time. I don`t have stats on power grid

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Tony Wicks
To: North American Operators' Group Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai Just so I am clear, you are saying “I would rather have it come over my undersea cables than from inside the datacenter”? And you are assuming TCP transport.

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Niels Bakker
* patr...@ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore) [Fri 02 Apr 2021, 01:01 CEST]: I know first hand that Akamai has explained to large customers the possible problems with multi-GB updates to millions of users simultaneously. If the game company does not care, then I do not see what you expect the CDN

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
I am a bit worried about phrases like "If Akamai was doing these updates more frequently”. Akamai does not decide these things. You may as well say “if the fiber carriers sent the bits over several hours instead of all at once.” And please do not say you were just using shorthand. You

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Mike Hammett
April 1, 2021 5:40:41 PM Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai * na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) [Thu 01 Apr 2021, 23:17 CEST]: >However, the game publisher queues those requests. I'm meaning >request generically, not a GET request or anything like that. The >game publisher that contr

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Niels Bakker
* na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) [Thu 01 Apr 2021, 23:17 CEST]: However, the game publisher queues those requests. I'm meaning request generically, not a GET request or anything like that. The game publisher that contracts to the CDNs decides when to fulfill those requests, in the big picture.

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
uli...@gmail.com>> > Cc: North American Operators' Group mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> > Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai > > > If thousands of users are downloading 50G files at the same time, it really > doesn't matter if they are pulling from a CDN or the

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Matt Erculiani
mand with some cushion built-in for redundancy. If that's the desire to have full capacity available to Akamai available at all times, then everyone needs dedicated P2P circuits direct to Akamai, but that's not practical. If you own an ISP and you're not oversubscribing, you'

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Tony Wicks
the better option for cost and the consumer, but you certainly do notice the traffic in local backhaul. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom Beecher Sent: Friday, 2 April 2021 10:05 am To: Matt Erculiani Cc: North American Operators' Group Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai If thousan

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
w if the performance > metrics get bad, business will be taken elsewhere, even if the CAUSE of the > poor performance is actually at the edge of, or inside , the ISPs network. > > ISPs in the US can get away with this because their users are captive and > rarely have an alterna

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Mike Hammett
;Tom Beecher" To: "Matt Erculiani" Cc: "North American Operators' Group" Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 4:04:34 PM Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai No disrespect taken, or intended back in your direction, but again, I disagree. If thousands of users are dow

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Tom Beecher
t; ISPs in the US can get away with this because their users are captive and >> rarely have an alternative choice of provider. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:33 PM Matt Erculiani >> wrote: >> >>> Patrick, >>> >>> > First, to be blunt,

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Matt Erculiani
he US can get away with this because their users are captive and > rarely have an alternative choice of provider. > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:33 PM Matt Erculiani > wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> > First, to be blunt, if you really think Akamai nodes are “sitt

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Mike Hammett
n the next week, I'm happy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Niels Bakker" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:49:17 PM Subject: Re: wow,

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Tom Beecher
Lots of publishers will allow for new stuff to be pre-downloaded before a specified release time. There was a time that it was probably helpful in spreading the load out over time, but today it doesn't help much because either everyone starts the preload at the same time, or people don't have enoug

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Niels Bakker
* na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) [Thu 01 Apr 2021, 21:51 CEST]: I'm not sure what kind of time lines are expected or engineered for now, but it *seems* like its a 12 - 36 hour sprint to push the content out. If so, push it out to 36 - 72 hours? Adjust accordingly for however much off I am on t

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Tom Beecher
alternative choice of provider. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:33 PM Matt Erculiani wrote: > Patrick, > > > First, to be blunt, if you really think Akamai nodes are “sitting idle > for weeks” before CoD comes out with a new game, > > you are clearly confused. > > "Id

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Matt Erculiani
Patrick, > First, to be blunt, if you really think Akamai nodes are “sitting idle for weeks” before CoD comes out with a new game, > you are clearly confused. "Idle" in the sense that when you look at a graph of traffic before and after a large push such as this makes the re

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
Peace, On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 11:16 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > Akamai, and other CDNs, do not **generate** traffic ; they serve the > requests generated by users. > L3/4-wise, this is true. Application-wise, this is quite the other way around. -- Töma >

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Jean St-Laurent via NANOG
They add a cookie. This generate traffic From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom Beecher Sent: April 1, 2021 4:12 PM To: Matt Erculiani Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai Does Akamai bear some burden here to make these rollouts less troublesome for the ISPs they

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Luke Guillory
beg to get more local CDN resources which still doesn’t even deliver half of their traffic. “More importantly, I know for a fact Akamai has spent ungodly amounts of money & resources putting content precisely where the ISPs ask them to put it, deliver it over the pipes the ISPs ask the

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Jean St-Laurent via NANOG
solution. In the end, if I search on this mailing list: Wow, spike, huge, akamai, yesterday or a combination of these words… the answer is always CoD. 😃 Jean From: NANOG On Behalf Of Patrick W. Gilmore Sent: April 1, 2021 4:09 PM To: North American Operators' Group Subjec

Re: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Does Akamai bear some burden here to make these rollouts less troublesome > for the ISPs they traverse through the last mile(s)? IMO yes, yes they do. > When you're doing something new and unprecedented, as Akamai frequently > brags about on Twitter, like having rapid, burs

RE: wow, lots of akamai

2021-04-01 Thread Luke Guillory
IX’s don’t really help the source doesn’t use them. Akamai traffic. 17G via Local Cache 17G via Transit 8G via IXs. Plenty of room on IXs for more on our side. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 2:31 PM To: Niels Bakker Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: wow

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