Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-08 Thread nusenu
John Levine: > In article you write: >> The main issue with the notion of keeping abuse@ separate from a >> dedicated DMCA takedown mailbox is companies like IP Echelon will just >> blindly E-mail whatever abuse POC is associated with either the AS >> record or whichever POCs are specifically

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-07 Thread John Levine
In article <627928051.4141.1533644391202.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck> you write: >Unless the e-mail is to the contact on file with the FCC, it isn't an official >DMCA take down request, so the request is garbage. It's not the FCC, it's the copyright office. The law also says that the

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Corbe" To: "Eric Kuhnke" , "nanog@nanog.org list" Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:43:36 PM Subject: Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes On 8/4/2018 01:04:17, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: >If you were setting up something new from

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Daniel Corbe
at 8:56 PM, John Levine wrote: In article you write: I'm very sorry to read that, as an ISP, you have to comply with a para-judicial process that puts you in charge of censorship. Dealing with DMCA notices is a matter of statute law in the US, and it is a really, really bad idea to ignore

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >I'm very sorry to read that, as an ISP, you have to comply with a >para-judicial process that puts you in charge of censorship. Dealing with DMCA notices is a matter of statute law in the US, and it is a really, really bad idea to ignore them unread. It doesn't matter

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hi Daniel, Le 06/08/2018 à 16:48, Daniel Corbe a écrit : > It doesn't work like that though.   I can't just bitbucket DMCA takedown > requests because I also provide people with cable TV service.  That > means I have content contracts and these contracts are all very specific > about what I need

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le 2018-08-06 16:03, Jérôme Nicolle a écrit : Hi Jack, Le 05/08/2018 à 21:51, na...@jack.fr.eu.org a écrit : By "appropriate place", you mean "the trash bin" ? Nope, that would eat-up storage and IOs. The proper destination is /dev/null, unless they provide you with the required informations

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Matt Harris
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > > Asked and answered already. > > On 8/5/2018 16:53:35, "John Levine" wrote: > >See https://www.copyright.gov/dmca-directory/ > > If you are in fact registered there, it becomes *their* problem to send > their reports to the address you registered. > >

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:51:17 -0500, Matt Harris said: > But then the question becomes "how are they supposed to find the 'proper > address' for their reports?" Asked and answered already. On 8/5/2018 16:53:35, "John Levine" wrote: >See https://www.copyright.gov/dmca-directory/ If you are in

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Matt Harris
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > This is a solvable problem. If they're sending unsolicited bulk email > (aka "spam"), then they are, by definition, spammers. Block them and > move on. If/when they decide to send proper DMCA notices and send them > to the proper address,

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Daniel Corbe
On 8/5/2018 18:46:36, "Rich Kulawiec" wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 07:43:36PM +, Daniel Corbe wrote: This is a solvable problem. If they're sending unsolicited bulk email (aka "spam"), then they are, by definition, spammers. Block them and move on. If/when they decide to send

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-06 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Hi Jack, Le 05/08/2018 à 21:51, na...@jack.fr.eu.org a écrit : > By "appropriate place", you mean "the trash bin" ? Nope, that would eat-up storage and IOs. The proper destination is /dev/null, unless they provide you with the required informations to send a bill. Best regards, -- Jérôme

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-05 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 07:43:36PM +, Daniel Corbe wrote: > The main issue with the notion of keeping abuse@ separate from a dedicated > DMCA takedown mailbox is companies like IP Echelon will just blindly E-mail > whatever abuse POC is associated with either the AS record or whichever POCs >

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-05 Thread nanog
On 8/4/2018 01:04:17, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > Automated sorting tools *can* pull things which match regexes for > automatically-generated DMCA notifications out of an inbox and route them > to the appropriate place. By "appropriate place", you mean "the trash bin" ? Sieve filters are enough for

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-04 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:04:17PM -0700, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > If you were setting up something new from a clean sheet of paper design - > do you consider it appropriate to have an abuse role inbox that's dedicated > to actual network abuse issues (security problems, DDoS, IP hijacks, >

Re: Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-03 Thread Ross Tajvar
I'd keep them separate since it's a different set of people that needs to handle dmca vs actual abuse. On Sat, Aug 4, 2018, 1:07 AM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > If you were setting up something new from a clean sheet of paper design - > do you consider it appropriate to have an abuse role inbox that's

Best practices on logical separation of abuse@ vs dmca@ role inboxes

2018-08-03 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If you were setting up something new from a clean sheet of paper design - do you consider it appropriate to have an abuse role inbox that's dedicated to actual network abuse issues (security problems, DDoS, IP hijacks, misbehavior of downstream customers, etc), and keep that separate from DMCA