RE: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-15 Thread Tom Zingale (tomz)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:26 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco uRPF failures > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:11:28PM +0300, Saku Ytti wrote: > > > > Sound like these shops are using 3550 as router, which is common

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-13 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-13 13:26 -0500), Brandon Ewing wrote: Hey Brandon, > Are you sure? According to the IOS guide for 3560E/3750E, "ip verify" is > still an unsupported interface command. I don't have a 3560E handy to test > on, but I know that a non-E 3560 refuses it with a notice regarding how > veri

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-13 Thread Brandon Ewing
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:11:28PM +0300, Saku Ytti wrote: > > Sound like these shops are using 3550 as router, which is common for > smaller shops, especially in EU. And indeed, 3550 would not do uRPF. > (3560E does). > Are you sure? According to the IOS guide for 3560E/3750E, "ip verify" is

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-11 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-11 00:50 -0700), Jo Rhett wrote: > As someone who does a lot of work talking to NOCs trying to chase down > attack sources, I can honestly tell you that I haven't talked to a > single NOC in the last 16 months who had BCP38 on every port, or even on > most of their ports. And the

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2008-09-11 00:50 -0700), Jo Rhett wrote: As someone who does a lot of work talking to NOCs trying to chase down attack sources, I can honestly tell you that I haven't talked to a single NOC in the last 16 months who had BCP38 on every port, o

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:55 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: To this day I've never met network operator not using uRPF on Cisco gear. (note: network operator. It's probably not used widely by enterprises) As someone who does a lot of work talking to NOCs trying to chase down attack sources, I can honestl

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Anton Kapela wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's the surprising thing -- no scenario. Very basic configuration. Enabling uRPF and then hitting it with a few gig of non-routable packets consistently caused the sup

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-04 09:35 -0700), Jo Rhett wrote: > quickly, but that turns out not to be the case. To this day I've never > found a network operator using uRPF on Cisco gear. > (note: network operator. it's probably fine for several-hundred-meg > enterprise sites) To this day I've never met net

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-07 Thread Sam Stickland
Jo Rhett wrote: That's the surprising thing -- no scenario. Very basic configuration. Enabling uRPF and then hitting it with a few gig of non-routable packets consistently caused the sup module to stop talking on the console, and various other problems to persist throughout the unit, ie no a

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On 9/6/08, Anton Kapela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > found a network operator using uRPF on Cisco gear. > > (note: network operator. it's probably fine for several-hundred-meg > > enterprise sites) > > > Forgive me, but

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-06 Thread Anton Kapela
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the surprising thing -- no scenario. Very basic configuration. > Enabling uRPF and then hitting it with a few gig of non-routable packets > consistently caused the sup module to stop talking on the console, and What d

Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-04 Thread Jo Rhett
(changing subject line) On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Rubens Kuhl Jr. wrote: This statement is patently false. The uRPF failures I dealt with were based entirely on the recommended settings, and were confirmed by Cisco. Last I heard (2 months ago) the problems remain. Cisco just isn't being