Nanog Politics [was: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.]]

2016-11-14 Thread Alexander Maassen
> on > behalf of Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:37 PM > To: sur...@mauigateway.com<mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go

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2016-11-13 Thread Scott Weeks
--- m...@beckman.org wrote: From: Mel Beckman This is discussing politics, not the "operational and technical issues" of NANOG's charter. --- BTW, I didn't mean it to be talking politics. He was mentioned in the current discussion, I looked into a li

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2016-11-13 Thread Mel Beckman
behalf of Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:37 PM To: sur...@mauigateway.com<mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.] Before this snowball g

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2016-11-13 Thread Rod Beck
: sur...@mauigateway.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.] Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've

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2016-11-13 Thread Mel Beckman
Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've all agreed to: NANOG Acceptable Use Policy * Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as

Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.]

2016-11-13 Thread Scott Weeks
--- jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca wrote: The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct. Briefly: https://www.engadget.com/2016/

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2016-11-13 Thread Arturo Servin
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 at 07:08 Dovid Bender wrote: > Consumers can always chose with their wallet. > > As long as you have options, which is the basic problem. There isn't real alternative options.

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2016-11-12 Thread Dovid Bender
Consumers can always chose with their wallet. On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 2:03 AM, Jean-Francois Mezei < jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2016-11-09 17:54, William Herrin wrote: > > > I think this discussion is premature. We can hypothesize any number of > > evils from the President Elect but

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2016-11-12 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 2016-11-09 17:54, William Herrin wrote: > I think this discussion is premature. We can hypothesize any number of > evils from the President Elect but until someone introduces a bill we > can only tilt at windmills. The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telec

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2016-11-10 Thread Bacon Zombie
https://youtu.be/Yi_2020LJQo On Nov 10, 2016 18:27, "Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG" wrote: > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > There are plenty of reasons for thinking people to be terrified today. > > I don't know why you've chosen to focus on such a small one. He

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2016-11-10 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > There are plenty of reasons for thinking people to be terrified today. > I don't know why you've chosen to focus on such a small one. Here's a > bigger one: > > http://bit.ly/2fTdmiG Ok--so on a somewhat NANOG-related note...please tel

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2016-11-09 Thread Steven Fischer
Thank you.  Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:06 PM -0500, "Job Snijders" wrote: Hi all, Please consider our Mail List Charter and Policy: http://nanog.org/list The NANOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the di

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2016-11-09 Thread Job Snijders
Hi all, Please consider our Mail List Charter and Policy: http://nanog.org/list The NANOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of specific implementation issues that require cooperation among network service providers. In ord

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2016-11-09 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so > that you can give a reasoned answer. > > https://plus.google.com/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/TYxXkeQ2jPW Hi Jay, I think this discussion is premature. We can hypothesi

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2016-11-09 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <1624203180.33527.1478724998723.javamail.zim...@baylink.com>, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not >trying to start one. > >But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so >that you can give a reas

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2016-11-09 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 11/9/16 2:17 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: You're right, this is not the forum. So why are you abusing it? I do think it's a fair thing to drop in everyone's lap though. Something to think about, and consider, even if privately and to ones self. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Developme

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2016-11-09 Thread Mel Beckman
You're right, this is not the forum. So why are you abusing it? -mel beckman > On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not > trying to start one. > > But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds

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2016-11-09 Thread Naslund, Steve
To: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Here we go again. The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not trying to start one. But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer

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2016-11-09 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not trying to start one. But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer. https://plus.google.com/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/TYxXkeQ2jPW Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashw