Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 08:52:54PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: No SNMP stats for virtual vlan interfaces and when asking Brocade about it, you get told it is too hard to program. You gotta be kiddin me Yeah, that is something that has been bugging me. No stats on ve interfaces.

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:30:17AM +0100, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: Or how they do vlan configurations. I have complained about that, too. With Cisco you add vlans to ports, with Brocade you add ports to vlans. Subtle difference. You can't look at the config and very easily see which

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
If you configure a /64, you are much more likely to have guaranteed forwarding speed to that destination, and guaranteed number of routes in FIB. What you don't have is a guarantee that ARP/NDP will work correctly on the access router. If you choose to configure a /120, you may lose one or

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired neighbors to become unreachable. I also do

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Mike Walter
AM To: Richard A Steenbergen Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
And this is better than just not trying to implement IPv6 stateless auto-configuration on ptp links in the first place how exactly? I don't use autoconfiguration. Static configured IPs, static neighbor entries for these types of links.

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, George Bonser wrote: And this is better than just not trying to implement IPv6 stateless auto-configuration on ptp links in the first place how exactly? I don't use autoconfiguration. Static configured IPs, static neighbor entries for these types of links. Man. It must

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
Man. It must be annoying to change all those static neighbor entries when the interfaces fail, links must be migrated to another line cards or you replace routers. -- Yeah, that happens about once every five years or so and in my particular case there aren't a lot of these point to point

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries.  That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired neighbors to become unreachable.  I also

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Chris Woodfield [mailto:rek...@semihuman.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:11 PM To: Chris Enger Cc: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations I think

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations I think this is the point where I get a shovel, a bullwhip and head over to the horse graveyard that is CAM optimization... -C Well, it really isn't so bad. With Brocade FPGA gear you can change how much CAM is allocated

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
No SNMP stats for virtual vlan interfaces and when asking Brocade about it, you get told it is too hard to program. You gotta be kiddin me Yeah, that is something that has been bugging me. No stats on ve interfaces. Or how they do vlan configurations. I have complained about that,

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread George Bonser
From: Chris Enger Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations Greetings, I am researching possible replacements for our Internet edge routers, and wanted to see what people could

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, George Bonser wrote: exception I've found so far is the Cisco ASR 1002, which can do 125k v6 along with 500k v4 routes at once. I'm curious if any other vendors have comparable products. The NetIron XMR will get you 1,000,000 routes. 1M of what kind of routes? A

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations Our Brocade reps pointed us

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Bret Palsson
: -Original Message- From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations Our Brocade reps pointed us to the CER 2000

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Jack Carrozzo
...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations Our Brocade reps pointed us to the CER 2000 series, and they can do up to 512k v4 or up to 128k v6

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Tim Jackson
at 8:58 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Randy Carpenter
wrote: -Original Message- From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations Our Brocade

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Frank Bulk
table sizeconsiderations From: Chris Enger Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:15 PM To: 'nanog@nanog.org' Subject: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations Greetings, I am researching possible replacements for our Internet edge routers, and wanted to see what

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 3/8/11 10:12 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: That's 1M IPv4 routes, IIRC. Put IPv6 into the mix and that 1M quickly shrinks. snip I am researching possible replacements for our Internet edge routers, and wanted to see what people could recommend for a smaller chassis or fixed router that can

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:13 PM To: George Bonser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations That's 1M IPv4 routes, IIRC. Put IPv6 into the mix