Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Corey Touchet wrote: > What I would like to see is someone who sets up a VPN that has an endpoint > path that¹s the same as NetFlix. If their streaming performance improves > that would be very telling. Heck you could use 2 machines and do a side > by side. Bee

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread Corey Touchet
What I would like to see is someone who sets up a VPN that has an endpoint path that¹s the same as NetFlix. If their streaming performance improves that would be very telling. Heck you could use 2 machines and do a side by side. However I doubt Level3 is going to sit there and lie about their c

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread Matt Palmer
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 05:25:47PM +, McElearney, Kevin wrote: > Performance is a two way street (as are shakedowns) "It takes two to lie, Marge: one to lie, and one to listen." - Matt

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread Paul WALL
The devil is in the details. Ken Florance (http://blog.netflix.com/2014/04/the-case-against-isp-tolls.html) paints a different picture in his blog, for example. As a manager at Comcast, can you refer the people on this list to any ISPs who do not have a history of congestion into your network? T

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread McElearney, Kevin
On 7/29/14, 12:45 PM, "valdis.kletni...@vt.edu" wrote: >On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:33:28 -, "McElearney, Kevin" said: > >> (w/ a level of quality). <$IP_PROVIDER> plays a big role in delivering >> your *overall* Internet experience, but eyecandysource plays an even >> bigger role delivering yo

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:33:28 -, "McElearney, Kevin" said: > (w/ a level of quality). <$IP_PROVIDER> plays a big role in delivering > your *overall* Internet experience, but eyecandysource plays an even > bigger role delivering your *specific* eyecandy experience. If > eyecandystore has inter

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:33 AM, McElearney, Kevin wrote: > On 7/28/14, 5:35 PM, "Jim Richardson" wrote: >> if <$IP_PROVIDER> throttles it specifically, rather >>than throttling me to (x),I consider that fraud. > > While ISPs do play a big role in this, people tend to miss eyecandystore > decisi

Re: Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread Paul WALL
It is common courtesy around these parts to not libel your customers, especially when they're paying you lots of money and making up 30% of your incoming traffic. That you're posting in "hypotheticals" does not mask your true messaging. Drive Slow, Paul Wall On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:33 PM, McEl

Many players make up application performance (was Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity)

2014-07-29 Thread McElearney, Kevin
On 7/28/14, 5:35 PM, "Jim Richardson" wrote: >I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said >eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown, >that's life. But if <$IP_PROVIDER> throttles it specifically, rather >than throttling me to (x),I consider