Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:06:42 PM Jay Ashworth wrote: I'm not saying you need the whole 19mbps (though, remember here, we are not talking about Additional Carriage; we are talking about *being the only way people can see that game* -- and my example was the Super Bowl).. but unless

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-11 17:45 -0500), Justin M. Streiner wrote: If multicast is used it shouldn't take 150pbps, it should be much lower. That could be one of the things that helps spur v6 adoption - multicast being somewhat less of an afterthought :) While v4 multicast works, and delivering video

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012, Saku Ytti wrote: This is misguided, IPV6 does no magic to help scale multicast to Internet scale compared to IPV4. Actually, IPv6 embedded RP improves scalability over IPv4 MSDP peering and ASM. -- Antonio Querubin e-mail: t...@lavanauts.org xmpp:

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-15 09:47 -1000), Antonio Querubin wrote: This is misguided, IPV6 does no magic to help scale multicast to Internet scale compared to IPV4. Actually, IPv6 embedded RP improves scalability over IPv4 MSDP peering and ASM. Unfortunately that does exactly nothing to help with

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: Unfortunately that does exactly nothing to help with Internet scale. Now scaling for your local environment embedded RP might be beneficial, but actual practical applications where you need ASM are very few. Most vendors took out hardware

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Jan 15, 2012 1:40 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: Unfortunately that does exactly nothing to help with Internet scale. Now scaling for your local environment embedded RP might be beneficial, but actual practical applications

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Ryan Gelobter
It will be at least 9-10 years before Google could bid. I think the TV networks get a chance to renew before anyone else can even bid. Unless the NFL decides to do something with the NFL Network games they are likely SOL. ESPN renewed their MNF contract through 2021.

Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
In this week's CES coverage on Marketplace, venture capitalist Mark Suster of GRP Partners opines that Google will bid on the broadcast rights to MNF within the next 5 years. http://www.marketplace.org/topics/tech/ces-2012/future-television-way-we-watch Is 'The Internet' ready to deliver live

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:15 EST, Jay Ashworth said: Is 'The Internet' ready to deliver live 1080p HD with very close to zero dropouts to 25-30 million viewers for 4 hours straight every week, yet? Depends how much compression you use. :) pgprMJ4o8lC7c.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Darius Jahandarie
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 19:11, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:15 EST, Jay Ashworth said: Is 'The Internet' ready to deliver live 1080p HD with very close to zero dropouts to 25-30 million viewers for 4 hours straight every week, yet? Depends how much compression

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread George Fitzpatrick
Smart tv's should help, no? - Original Message - From: Darius Jahandarie [mailto:djahanda...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 08:04 PM To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google? On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 19:11, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:19:57 GMT, George Fitzpatrick said: Smart tv's should help, no? Only so much. No matter what they show on CSI about enhancing video, if that stream got compressed so the football Tim Tebow just threw is just a brown ellipse, there;s no legitimate way to put the seams back

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Philip Dorr
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:32 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:19:57 GMT, George Fitzpatrick said: Smart tv's should help, no? Only so much. No matter what they show on CSI about enhancing video, if that stream got compressed so the football Tim Tebow just threw is

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Philip Dorr wrote: But the TV should only be receiving one stream at a time, unless there is pip. Each stream would probably be around 5mbps. If multicast is used it shouldn't take 150pbps, it should be much lower. That could be one of the things that helps spur v6

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Michael Painter
Darius Jahandarie wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 19:11, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:15 EST, Jay Ashworth said: Is 'The Internet' ready to deliver live 1080p HD with very close to zero dropouts to 25-30 million viewers for 4 hours straight every week, yet?

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Darius Jahandarie
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:40, Michael Painter tvhaw...@shaka.com wrote: Not sure where/what you're talking about, but here in the U.S.A, Dish Network and DirecTV seem to put a max of 7 MPEG 4 HD channels on a *transponder*. http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?page=sub --Michael

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Philip Dorr tagn...@gmail.com But the TV should only be receiving one stream at a time, unless there is pip. Each stream would probably be around 5mbps. I believe you're an optimist. Weekly football is probably the second most important thing on a TV

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Michael Painter tvhaw...@shaka.com Not sure where/what you're talking about, but here in the U.S.A, Dish Network and DirecTV seem to put a max of 7 MPEG 4 HD channels on a *transponder*. http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?page=sub Yup; at

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-11 Thread Michael Painter
Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Michael Painter tvhaw...@shaka.com Not sure where/what you're talking about, but here in the U.S.A, Dish Network and DirecTV seem to put a max of 7 MPEG 4 HD channels on a *transponder*.