Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-27 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:40 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:06:10 -0400, "Justin M. Streiner" said: >>> We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in >>> mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their >>> relationship w

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-27 Thread Dave Sparro
On 6/26/2013 5:11 PM, Adam Greene wrote: Thanks everyone. It sounds like (a) customer needs to clarify contract terms with Paetec, and (b) unless they have an ongoing relationship, the best long-term plan is to renumber. I did check reg dates on the blocks, and it is much more recent than the c

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: >>> >>> It's got to be PA space. Paetec isn't in a position to assign PI space. >> >> >> No distinction is drawn between PA and PI for ARIN-region

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:06:10 -0400, "Justin M. Streiner" said: > > We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in > > mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their > > relationship with Paetec ended a long time ago. > > > > Is this a common situa

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: It's got to be PA space. Paetec isn't in a position to assign PI space. No distinction is drawn between PA and PI for ARIN-region address space assigned prior to ARIN's inception in 1997. That's "le

RE: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Adam Greene
Abley Cc: Adam Greene; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Paetec PI space? f the assignment predated ARIN, then its not clear if current ARIN policy is applicable. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 02:18:54PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2013-06-26, at 13:52, "Adam Greene" wrote: > >

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread bmanning
f the assignment predated ARIN, then its not clear if current ARIN policy is applicable. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 02:18:54PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2013-06-26, at 13:52, "Adam Greene" wrote: > > > We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in > > mid-90's >

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: > It's got to be PA space. Paetec isn't in a position to assign PI space. No distinction is drawn between PA and PI for ARIN-region address space assigned prior to ARIN's inception in 1997. That's "legacy" address space. Since the end of filteri

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread David Conrad
Jon, On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: >>> We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in >>> mid-90's >> They should plan to renumber out of that space in the very near future. It'd be nice for routing system hygiene, but there probably is no requirement

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Justin M. Streiner wrote: We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their relationship with Paetec ended a long time ago. Is this a common situation? Does the customer risk hav

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Adam Greene wrote: > We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in > mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their > relationship with Paetec ended a long time ago. > > Is this a common situation? It was back i

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread David Conrad
Joe, On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Joe Abley wrote: >> We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in >> mid-90's > I think it's correct to say that the only entities that can assign PI IPv4 > space are RIRs and the IANA. Nope. Historically, there was no distinction

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-26, at 13:52, "Adam Greene" wrote: > We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in > mid-90's I think it's correct to say that the only entities that can assign PI IPv4 space are RIRs and the IANA. If I'm right, what you're talking about is PA space, rega

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Justin M. Streiner
We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their relationship with Paetec ended a long time ago. Is this a common situation? Does the customer risk having that space reclaimed by Paetec at some point,

Re: Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Cutler James R
On Jun 26, 2013, at 1:52 PM, "Adam Greene" wrote: > Hi, > > > > We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in > mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their > relationship with Paetec ended a long time ago. > > > > Is this a common situ

Paetec PI space?

2013-06-26 Thread Adam Greene
Hi, We have a customer who was assigned some PI IPv4 space by Paetec back in mid-90's and who has continued to announce the blocks, even though their relationship with Paetec ended a long time ago. Is this a common situation? Does the customer risk having that space reclaimed by Paetec at