Performance metrics used in commercial BGP route optimizers

Hi, I'm doing a research on BGP route optimisation and the performance metrics used by commercial route optimizer appliances to select better path to a prefix. I would appreciate any information about the performance metrics used in commercial BGP route optimizers, white papers or any

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mailto:o...@students.waikato.ac.nz>> wrote: Hi, I'm doing a research on BGP route optimisation and the performance metrics used by commercial route optimizer appliances to select better path to a prefix. I would appreciate any information about the performance metrics used in commercial BGP route optimi

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o...@students.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > > Hi, >> I'm doing a research on BGP route optimisation and the performance >> metrics used by commercial route optimizer appliances to select better path >> to a prefix. >> >> I would appreciate any information about

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:11 PM Dimeji Fayomi wrote: > I'm doing a research on BGP route optimisation and the performance metrics > used by commercial route optimizer appliances to select better path to a > prefix. > You may have discovered that already during your research, but just in case: basi

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quot; Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:30:37 AM Subject: Re: Performance metrics used in commercial BGP route optimizers On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:11 PM Dimeji Fayomi < o...@students.waikato.ac.nz > wrote: I'm doing a research on BGP route optimisation and the performance me

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:49 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Most of which are bunk if you and your upstream have appropriate filters. > True, and, while we're at it, it's okay to drink and drive a car if the manufacturer has built enough driver assistance systems in it. -- Töma

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tions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Töma Gavrichenkov" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "NANOG" , "Dimeji Fayomi" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:53:46 AM Subject: Re: Performance metrics used in commercial BGP rout

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 3:33 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > More like do whatever you want in your own house as long as you don't > infringe upon others. > That's where the rub is; when using "BGP optimisers" to influence public Internet routing, you cannot guarantee you won't infringe upon others.

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> Tom Beecher wrote : > The most important metric for a BGP optimizer is how much it physically > weighs. That way you'll know > if you can carry it to the trash pile yourself, or need to get help so you > don't hurt your back. Please dispose of it in an environment friendly way. In the city I l

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Job Snijders wrote on 16/07/2019 18:41: I consider it wholly inappropriate to write-off the countless hours spend dealing with fallout from "BGP optimizers" and the significant financial damages we've sustained as "religious arguments". it would be interesting to see research into the financia

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Snijders Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Performance metrics used in commercial BGP route optimizers Job Snijders wrote on 16/07/2019 18:41: > I consider it wholly inappropriate to write-off the countless hours > spend dealing with fallout from "BGP optimizers" and the significant > fina

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 6:29 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > assuming appropriate ingress\egress filters > This assumption itself is a good start for the aforementioned "security considerations" chapter, b/c this is the assumption most of us make but only few routinely check. -- Töma

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 6:10 PM Ryan Hamel wrote: > > Nowhere near the number as an engineer fat fingering a route. How are you able to make that assertion? > There are ISPs that accept routes all the way to /32 or /128, for traffic > engineering with ease, and/or RTBH. This strikes me as a bi

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Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Job Snijders" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "Töma Gavrichenkov" , "NANOG" Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 12:41:13 PM Subject: Re

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Peace, On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 9:24 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > BGP optimizers only harm the global Internet when route filters don't do > their job. (Un)Fortunately, many other things also harm the global Internet > when route filters don't do their job. > That is correct; however, there are potent

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 01:24:11PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > All of the same tragedy can happen without BGP optimizers, and does. I disagree. You are skipping over crucial distinction we should make between common 'route leaks' (incorrect propagation of valid routing information), and the pois

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re are ISPs that accept routes all the way to /32 or /128, for traffic engineering with ease, and/or RTBH. Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Nick Hilliard Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 11:04 AM To: Job Snijders Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Performance metrics used in commercial

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 5:22 PM Nick Hilliard wrote: > > Oh I don't know about that. There's been a pile of high profile > incidents which have been associated with "BGP optimisers", affecting > connectivity to huge chunks of the internet, world-wide. How many, exactly and with a pointer/referen

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On 16/07/2019 20:41, Job Snijders wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 3:33 PM Mike Hammett > wrote: More like do whatever you want in your own house as long as you don't infringe upon others. That's where the rub is; when using "BGP optimisers" to influence public

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:38 AM Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > On 16/07/2019 20:41, Job Snijders wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 3:33 PM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> More like do whatever you want in your own house as long as you don't >> infringe upon others. > > > That's where the rub is; when us

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I was attracted to BGP route optimizers for latency/jitter reduction and partial black hole detection scenarios. Our traffic is low enough in volume that we aren't playing the circuit commit game, but rather optimizing the path to VoIP customers who don't care that provider Y in path X-Y-Z had a f

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 9:52 PM Jared Geiger wrote: > Similar to how DNSSEC led many ISPs to remove their DNS redirecting > "search services". > Not that significant, but DNSSec, at the 4% adoption rate, didn't do that, HTTPS and HSTS did. -- Töma >

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You can achieve performance based routing using latency/jitter and partial blackhole detection as your metrics without resorting to prefix splitting - adjust local preferences on received routes, don’t install received routes, add static routes, change MPLS label if doing EPE etc. I see very few