On 13/10/11 19:56, Jared Mauch wrote:
Rebuilding this trust can take some time. I do expect that with the iMessage
stuff that was released yesterday (SMS/MMSoIP to email/phone#) many more
companies will shift to using that instead as the value of BBM is decreased.
I also wonder what the
-Original Message-
From: Nikolay Shopik [mailto:sho...@inblock.ru]
Sent: 14 October 2011 10:17
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
On 13/10/11 19:56, Jared Mauch wrote:
Rebuilding this trust can take some time. I do expect
Jared,
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
Rebuilding this trust can take some time. I do expect that with the iMessage
stuff that was released yesterday (SMS/MMSoIP to email/phone#) many more
companies will shift to using that instead as the value of
What I'm not digging about the entire iMessage I turned off my iMessage
option and someone else here in the office was trying to send me a txt.
From the looks of it the iPhone does not let you pick between wanting to
send an iMessage or txt I could be wrong, but his phone was forcing
iMessage and
: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:06 PM
To: Phil Regnauld
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
On 2011-10-12, at 18:02, Phil Regnauld wrote:
Joe Abley (jabley) writes:
On 2011-10-12, at 13:05, Leigh Porter wrote:
Email on my iPhone
.
-Original Message-
From: Jamie Bowden [mailto:ja...@photon.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:36 AM
To: Joe Abley
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
You are correct. The BES uses PSKs to talk to RIM's servers, which
: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:44 AM
To: 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley'
Cc: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
It's called Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync :)
It works with Android, Apple and Microsoft devices. I believe both Lotus
and Groupwise have
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From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mh...@ox.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:44 AM
To: 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley'
Cc: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
It's called Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync :)
It works with Android, Apple and Microsoft
...@pfankuch.me]
Sent: 13 October 2011 14:08
To: Matthew Huff; 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley'
Cc: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
Agreed. Had a customer during the timeframe of this week ditch 90 blackberries
for iPhone/android devices. He
- Original Message -
From: Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com
Someday either Google or Apple will get
off their rear ends and roll out an end to end encrypted service that
plugs into corporate email/calendar/workgroup services and we can all
gladly toss these horrid little devices in the
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com
Someday either Google or Apple will get
off their rear ends and roll out an end to end encrypted service that
plugs into corporate email/calendar/workgroup
On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
It's possible that the 'encryption' comment from Jamie is really about
encrypting the actual device... which I believe Android[0] will do, I
don't know if idevices do though.
I think the big problem is that rev1 of iDevice did not
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From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:36 AM
To: Jay Ashworth
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com
T. Pfankuch [mailto:bl...@pfankuch.me]
Sent: 13 October 2011 14:08
To: Matthew Huff; 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley'
Cc: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
Agreed. Had a customer during the timeframe of this week ditch 90 blackberries
for iPhone
:
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From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:36 AM
To: Jay Ashworth
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jay Ashworth
wrote:
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: Matthew Huff [mailto:mh...@ox.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:44 AM
To: 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley'
Cc: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
It's called Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync :)
It works with Android, Apple and Microsoft
On 10/13/11 3:30 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
In fact, Skype, just as a for instance, is worse on hotel wifi as
launching the app on a laptop makes you a middle node for some
conversations.
Per the Skype IT administrator guide, a Skype node will not become a
supernode unless it has a
...@outages.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt
affected (not N.A.)
And continues:
“RIM'S SERVICE OUTAGE CONTINUES INTO DAY 2”
http://www.channelstv.com/global/news_details.php?nid=29652cat=Politics
Frank
-spread-to-u.s-and-canada/
Andrew
From: Frank Bulkfrnk...@iname.com
To: outa...@outages.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt
affected (not N.A.)
And continues:
“RIM'S SERVICE
...@outages.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt
affected (not N.A.)
And continues:
“RIM'S SERVICE OUTAGE CONTINUES INTO DAY 2”
http://www.channelstv.com/global/news_details.php?nid=29652cat=Politics
Frank
: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt
affected (not N.A.)
Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look at this
perhaps being sabotage.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20119163-266/blackberry-service-issues-spread-to-u.s-and-canada/
Andrew
Our blackberry service with Us Cellular in Missouri started having
issues about 8am this morning.
, October 10, 2011 2:52 PM
To: frnk...@iname.com
Cc: outa...@outages.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt
affected (not N.A.)
RIM shares down as BlackBerry outage continues
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rim-shares-down-as-blackberry-outage
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:47:13 PDT, andrew.wallace said:
Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look at this
perhaps being sabotage.
It ain't sabotage till you rule out misconfigured router.
Consider the actual real-world threat models and their likelyhoods:
1)
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:52:02 CDT, -Hammer- said:
What kills me is what they have told the public. The lost a core
switch. I don't know if they actually mean network switch or not but
I'm pretty sure any of us that work on an enterprise environment know
how to factor N+1 just for these types
+1
On Oct 12, 2011 11:51 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:52:02 CDT, -Hammer- said:
What kills me is what they have told the public. The lost a core
switch. I don't know if they actually mean network switch or not but
I'm pretty sure any of us that work on an
Idiotberry
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 12 oct. 2011 à 17:55, Charles Mills w3y...@gmail.com a écrit :
+1
On Oct 12, 2011 11:51 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:52:02 CDT, -Hammer- said:
What kills me is what they have told the public. The lost a core
switch. I don't
I think it raises serious questions about RIM's DR strategy if a DB corruption
or switch failure or whatever can cause this much outage. 'Surely' RIM have an
second site that is independent of the primary (within reason) that they could
of flipped to when they realised the DB was borked. If not
I have been witness to N+1 HUMAN failures but never a N+1 hardware
failure or system/design failure that warranted questioning the need for
N+2. Usually your N+1 failure is (as already referenced) pasting in a
bad config that gets replicated or something like that. Not saying the
hardware is
-Original Message-
From: -Hammer- [mailto:bhmc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 October 2011 17:10
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide,
Egypt affected (not N.A.)
I have been witness to N+1 HUMAN failures but never a N+1 hardware
: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide,
Egypt affected (not N.A.)
I have been witness to N+1 HUMAN failures but never a N+1 hardware
failure or system/design failure that warranted questioning the need
for
N+2. Usually your N+1 failure is (as already referenced) pasting
Haven't received an e-mail on my Blackberry since around 4AM, located
in Atlanta.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Ben Albee bal...@orscheln.com wrote:
Our blackberry service with Us Cellular in Missouri started having
issues about 8am this morning.
Mechanicsburg PA 17055
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From: -Hammer- [mailto:bhmc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:52 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt
affected (not N.A.)
What kills me is what they have told the public
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From: D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. [mailto:fo...@lemcoe.com]
Sent: 12 October 2011 18:01
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
Haven't received an e-mail on my Blackberry since around 4AM, located
in Atlanta
:
-Original Message-
From: D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. [mailto:fo...@lemcoe.com]
Sent: 12 October 2011 18:01
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
Haven't received an e-mail on my Blackberry since around 4AM, located
in Atlanta.
Email
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:47:13 PDT, andrew.wallace said:
Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look
at this perhaps being sabotage.
It ain't sabotage till you rule out misconfigured
...
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
-Original Message-
From: -Hammer- [mailto:bhmc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 October 2011 17:10
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services
On 2011-10-12, at 13:05, Leigh Porter wrote:
Email on my iPhone is working fine.. ;-)
The blackberry message service is centralised with a lot of processing
intelligence in the core. Messaging services that use the core as a simple
transport and shift the processing intelligence to the edge
I've always believed that RIM's decision to implement email and other
services in this way was a very poor choice that at some point would
blow up in their faces. My evil half would say that is was a
marketer's rather than an engineer's decision.
It's one thing when you are basically the only
Joe Abley (jabley) writes:
On 2011-10-12, at 13:05, Leigh Porter wrote:
Email on my iPhone is working fine.. ;-)
The blackberry message service is centralised with a lot of processing
intelligence in the core. Messaging services that use the core as a simple
transport and shift the
On 2011-10-12, at 18:02, Phil Regnauld wrote:
Joe Abley (jabley) writes:
On 2011-10-12, at 13:05, Leigh Porter wrote:
Email on my iPhone is working fine.. ;-)
The blackberry message service is centralised with a lot of processing
intelligence in the core. Messaging services that use
Joe Abley (jabley) writes:
This is not the case for corporate customers with dedicated servers,
AFAIU.
I'm no expert, but my understanding is that at some/most/all traffic between
handhelds and a BES, carried from the handheld device through a cellular
network, still flows
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Phil Regnauld regna...@nsrc.org wrote:
Correct - they need to transit at some point through the RIM servers.
http://www.interworks.com/blogs/wlyles/2010/01/14/why-rim-outage-affects-users-corporate-bes
That's just wrong on so many
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