>The point of the study in proposed bill is customers of Netflix and
>Spotify (just to pick on them because everyone seems too) watching videos
>on "Smart TVs" or listening on "Smart Speakers" may not realize those
>devices won't get emergency alerts like their old-fashion AM/FM radios
>and over-th
Heavy sigh. Its not about AM radios, although some tinkers have
hooked up raspberry pi's to weather band radio chips. Its a cool hack, but
not the point.
Today, 99% of emergency alerts are diissiminated via the Internet, in
addition to other channels (over the air broadcasters, cable, twitter,
At a recent meeting on space policy a representative from Hughes/Echostar
told us that, as they provide satellite connectivity to gas stations in the
fire regions, they have
been working with emergency services to give fire fighters directions to
where they can go to get gas for their trucks, based
If someone wants that sort of thing... does anyone still make AM
transistor radios?
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:25 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:51:04AM -0700, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
> > Capitalist solution: Build yet another IoT device that just does emergency
>
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:51:04AM -0700, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
> Capitalist solution: Build yet another IoT device that just does emergency
> alerting.
Please no. The IoT is already a security/privacy dumpster fire of enormous
proportions and this will provide yet another vector for
I haven't seen anyone mention the partnership between Nixle and Google yet:
http://www.nixle.com/google/
https://www.google.org/publicalerts/
The alerts come in via the Google Now application on my android devices
I've been receiving local emergency alerts for a couple years now,
mainly for fir
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Lou Katz wrote:
The NEST guys also didn't seem very receptive to the emergency alert stuff
when I contacted them.
And the NEST folk say there is NO WAY that you will ever be able to connect
to your own servers rather than theirs.
For the same reason I don't think Netflix
WISP
- Original Message -
From: "joel jaeggli"
To: "Lou Katz" , "Aaron C. de Bruyn"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 5:19:51 PM
Subject: Re: California fires: smart speakers and emergency alerts
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:51:04AM -0700,
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:51:04AM -0700, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
wrote:
>
>> Capitalist solution: Build yet another IoT device that just does emergency
>> alerting.
>>
>> Someone with free time should start a kickstarter or something. I'd
>> totally chip in.
>>
>> -A
It would be helpful if it
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 01:53:21PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
>
> If the product managers for smart speakers and smart TVs are successful,
> and replace am/fm radios and cable/over-the-air TVs in households,
> eventually there will be a catastrophe. After the catstrophe, the public
> (and
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:51:04AM -0700, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:14 AM Sean Donelan wrote:
>
> The NEST guys also didn't seem very receptive to the emergency alert stuff
> when I contacted them.
And the NEST folk say there is NO WAY that you will ever b
Of
Sean Donelan
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:12 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: California fires: smart speakers and emergency alerts
After wildfires killed 40+ people in northern California last fall, I asked if
Amazon and Google had any plans to include emergency alerts in their smart
On 07/26/2018 10:31 AM, Chris Boyd wrote:
> 162.400
> 162.425
> 162.450
> 162.475
> 162.500
> 162.525
> 162.550
>
> That’s about 1.85 meter wavelength, so a quarter wave antenna would
> be pretty large. I’m sure the RF engineers can come up with a way to
> listen effectively without a huge antenn
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
Do those use a frequency band that's suitable for cellphones to monitor (antenna
size, power, etc)? Because your best chance of getting my attention in an
emergency
is to make my phone start shrieking.
15 years ago (way back in 2003), one of
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Brian Kantor wrote:
I can see my way clear to supporting this bill ONLY if it ALSO
proposes to enhance the liabilities for officials of agencies
who issue a false or disproportionate alert.
Section 5 of the proposed bill is about emergency alert best practices.
That includ
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Chris Adams wrote:
My biggest concern is them making such alerts mandatory. At a minimum
they should be opt-out; a one-time notice during setup (or when the
functionality is added) to allow opt-in would be better IMHO.
That's a reason to get involved early, when everything
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:31:31PM -0500, Chris Boyd wrote:
> That’s about 1.85 meter wavelength, so a quarter wave antenna would be pretty
> large. I’m sure the RF engineers can come up with a way to listen
> effectively without a huge antenna.
For 162Mhz, a 1/4 wave antenna would have a vert
On 7/26/18 9:59 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Almost everyone with a cell phone gets real time alerts too. I am not sure how
many more ways we can make people aware of things around them. Seems like yet
another government mandate to dictate what a device must do.
People in tornado areas seem to
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 7/26/18 9:51 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
Capitalist solution: Build yet another IoT device that just does emergency
alerting.
People in tornado areas seem to be the most aware that alert radios already
exist. No internet access required.
Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said:
> Do those use a frequency band that's suitable for cellphones to monitor
> (antenna
> size, power, etc)? Because your best chance of getting my attention in an
> emergency
> is to make my phone start shrieking.
NOAA Weather Radio frequencies are
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 12:09 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>
> Do those use a frequency band that's suitable for cellphones to monitor
> (antenna
> size, power, etc)? Because your best chance of getting my attention in an
> emergency
> is to make my phone start shrieking.
VHF, on 7 frequ
No.
NWR requires a special radio receiver or scanner capable of picking up
the signal. Broadcasts are found in the VHF public service band at these
seven frequencies (MHz):
162.400
162.425
162.450
162.475
162.500
162.525
162.550
Although, you can buy a wind-up weather radio receiver for $20
Once upon a time, Sean Donelan said:
> After wildfires killed 40+ people in northern California last fall,
> I asked if Amazon and Google had any plans to include emergency
> alerts in their smart speaker/intelligent assistant products. Smart
> speakers seem like a way to alert people to imminent
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:54:10 -0700, Seth Mattinen said:
> People in tornado areas seem to be the most aware that alert radios
> already exist. No internet access required.
Do those use a frequency band that's suitable for cellphones to monitor (antenna
size, power, etc)? Because your best chance
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
> People in tornado areas seem to be the most aware that alert radios already
> exist. No internet access required.
For those interested in more info, http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/
Pretty popular service in rural Texas.
—Chris
Almost everyone with a cell phone gets real time alerts too. I am not sure how
many more ways we can make people aware of things around them. Seems like yet
another government mandate to dictate what a device must do.
>People in tornado areas seem to be the most aware that alert radios
>alrea
On 7/26/18 9:51 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
Capitalist solution: Build yet another IoT device that just does emergency
alerting.
People in tornado areas seem to be the most aware that alert radios
already exist. No internet access required.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:14 AM Sean Donelan wrote:
> Probably not a surprise, the product managers at Amazon and Google didn't
> see a benefit. Instead of emergency alerts, instead the product
> improvement roadmap priority is on package tracking and delivery alerts :-)
>
I'm not aware of a pu
I can see my way clear to supporting this bill ONLY if it ALSO
proposes to enhance the liabilities for officials of agencies
who issue a false or disproportionate alert.
- Brian
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:11:36PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
> Also shouldn't be a surprise. Senator Schatz and
After wildfires killed 40+ people in northern California last fall, I
asked if Amazon and Google had any plans to include emergency alerts
in their smart speaker/intelligent assistant products. Smart speakers
seem like a way to alert people to imminent life-threatening danger during
the night
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
>
> It would be creepy if an emergency alert was too targetted. It may be
> better to keep it larger than a mile radius, rather than a single house.
>
Get out! The tornado is calling from your house!
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, +1
> ... smart speakers ...
Do not we need to find intelligent life on earth before we can find "Smart
Speakers"?
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Mike wrote:
'presidential alerts'. From what I see, this is really wrong. Yes I would
like there to be a broadcast capability with some kind of gps fencing. No, I
am not the police nor will I do their job and be their eyes and ears. Yes, I
want to know if there is a major f
re: alerts
last march, Montréal had a nasty winter storm which resulted in a
stretch of highway wheree all exits were blocked for hours (the
government had inquiry on what happened). Cars stuck in there in middle
of night for 6 hours.
Once police woke up, it would have been extremely helpful if
On 10/16/2017 09:01 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
Simple programming problem.
Speaker: "There is a tornado warning in this area, would you like to
hear more?"
User: "How did you get my phone number?"
Speaker: "You have opted out of tornado warnings"
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
Simple programming problem.
Speaker: "There is a tornado warning in this area, would you like to hear more?"
User: "How did you get my phone number?"
Speaker: "You have opted out of tornado warnings"
Fast forward to the next tornado and techno-dar
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
> A smart speaker suddenly announcing "There is a tornado warning in this
> area, would you like to hear more?" will probably freak-out those same
> non-technical people.
Simple programming problem.
Speaker: "There is a tornado warning in this
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, Peter Beckman wrote:
It is theoretically simple to:
1. Turn the address of your Smart Speaker into coordinates
2. Receive ALL alerts and only act upon those that apply to your
location
This way it isn't creepy, because the emergency alert wasn't targeted to
It is theoretically simple to:
1. Turn the address of your Smart Speaker into coordinates
2. Receive ALL alerts and only act upon those that apply to your
location
This way it isn't creepy, because the emergency alert wasn't targeted to
you, but your device was aware enough to
Someone do a kickstarter already. I'll contribute. ;)
-A
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said:
>>>
>>> I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said:
I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP
that I order (way too much crap) from.
It knows the usual delivery address. That's not necessarily the same thing.
On 10/14/17 22:01, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said:
>> I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP
>> that I order (way too much crap) from.
>
> It knows the usual delivery address. That's not necessarily the same t
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said:
> I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP
> that I order (way too much crap) from.
It knows the usual delivery address. That's not necessarily the same thing.
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I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP
that I order (way too much crap) from. Same with Google, maps knows where
home is.
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, +1 (360) 474-7474
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017, Jared Mauch wrote:
I’m quite surprised they didn’t send out a local emergency alert. I’ve
gotten these for Tornadoes and amber alerts. Wildfires would be
comparable to a Tornado IMO.
Like most news stories, its a little more complicated.
Napa, Sonoma sent an evacuation al
I know with Alexa products they just ask you for a postal code for weather
updates. Probably covers 99 percent of cases.
On Oct 13, 2017 4:26 PM, "Andreas Ott" wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 04:59:17PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
> > Has anyone heard if the smart speaker companies (Amazon Echo
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 04:59:17PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
> Has anyone heard if the smart speaker companies (Amazon Echo, Google Home)
> plan to include emergency alert capability? An estimate 10% of households
> own a smart speaker, and Gartner (well-known for its forecasting
> accuracy) p
Note: Google Maps shows various alerts applicable to the region you are
looking at in maps.
So, assuming its Speaker is geolocated, Google would know if an alert is
applicable to its location and be able to send it to the unit.
I’m quite surprised they didn’t send out a local emergency alert. I’ve gotten
these for Tornadoes and amber alerts. Wildfires would be comparable to a
Tornado IMO.
Jared Mauch
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
> wrote:
>
> I messaged the Nest guys a few weeks ago ab
I messaged the Nest guys a few weeks ago about that very issue. I
think it would be somewhat simple for them to put an RF module in
their Protect devices (smoke alarms) and a speaker to alert about the
issue. Since they are wifi-enabled, they could probably also arrange
a clearer audio feed over
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