Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-11-10 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Kanak, NANOG moderators have requested this conversation go off list. Jeff On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, noc acrino wrote: > Greetings! > > By the way, Jeffrey, by the 24th of October, when you posted the information > that the RBN is located in our networks we couldn't even know about any >

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-11-10 Thread noc acrino
Greetings! By the way, Jeffrey, by the 24th of October, when you posted the information that the RBN is located in our networks we couldn't even know about any malware redirectors on our clients resources - http://www.stopbadware.org/reports/asn/44571. I'm trying to solve the Google SB issue (stil

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-11-08 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Kanak, We're not a Staminus reseller. Please do your homework: http://webtrace.info/asn/32421 . I'm not going to hold court on whether or not you or your resellers are DDoSing competitor's customers, I was merely stating my opinion. The reader can draw their own conclusion. I think your network i

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-11-08 Thread noc acrino
2009/11/6 Jeffrey Lyon > The primary issue is that we receive a fair > deal of customers who end up with wide scale DDoS attacks followed by > an offer for "protection" to move to your network. In almost every > case the attacks cease once the customer has agreed to pay this > "protection" fee.

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-11-07 Thread noc acrino
Hello, Jeffery and other NANOC members. Sorry for making another thread - I'm not too experienced in mailgroups. The problem is in structure of new generation advert or banner networks - they allow to return other subject traffic to the partner's URL. And this could also be used to redirect the

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-30 Thread Marco Hogewoning
On 24 okt 2009, at 14:36, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Marco Hogewoning wrote: On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: \>> http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accused-of-aiding-cybercrime-2165 With mo

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
The decision to filter networks should remain with the collective network operators. Everyone, even criminals, has a "right" to distribute content but it's up to each operator to decide if that content will be allowed to transit their network. Personally, if an entire /22 does not have a single leg

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Daniel Karrenberg
On 24.10 03:05, Paul Bosworth wrote: > I think the larger point is that ripe turned a blind eye to an > internationally recognized criminal network. That may be a point but not a convincing one. Imagine the outcry on this list if ARIN were to deny some organisation address space or ASNs just beca

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Marco Hogewoning wrote: > On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: \>> http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accused-of-aiding-cybercrime-2165 > > With more on that: > http://www.ripe.net/news/rbn.html I am glad

Re: RE: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
We already filter this network but the move is largely symbolic. This needs to be done by eyeball networks, not just hosting networks. In filtering 91.202.60.0/22 we primarily keep our reverse proxies from serving up their "content" and keep them from offering proxies on our network. Its pretty r

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* a. harrowell: > It ought to be superfluous to point out that the only effective > action taken against RBN was by the Internet community in getting > all their upstreams to null route them. As is blindingly obvious, > SOCA would never have been granted a warrant by the Russians. Ugh, in reality

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Marco Hogewoning
On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accused-of-aiding-cybercrime-2165 With more on that: http://www.ripe.net/news/rbn.html "Press coverage this week portrayed the RIPE NCC as being involved with

RE: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread a . harrowell
1.202.60.0/22 range? Consider that can of worms opened :o) Paul -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net] Sent: 24 October 2009 08:18 To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused

RE: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Martin, Paul
m: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net] Sent: 24 October 2009 08:18 To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN Since we're on the subject, here is where RBN went: inetnum: 91.202.60.0 - 9

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Paul Bosworth
I think the larger point is that ripe turned a blind eye to an internationally recognized criminal network. On Oct 24, 2009 2:01 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" wrote: http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/russian-police-and-internet-registry-accused-of-aiding-cybercrime-2165 Some quotes from the arti

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Benjamin Billon
That's what I thought. I still see the author's point =)

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Indeed. If they bought fries and a drink that's two counts. Jeff On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Benjamin Billon wrote: > Accusing RIPE of complicity is in my opinion abusive. So when a RBN member > buys a burger at MacDonald's, should we consider MacDo accepts money from > RBN while helping th

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Benjamin Billon
Accusing RIPE of complicity is in my opinion abusive. So when a RBN member buys a burger at MacDonald's, should we consider MacDo accepts money from RBN while helping them to run their "business" as they feed the criminal member?

Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

2009-10-24 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Since we're on the subject, here is where RBN went: inetnum: 91.202.60.0 - 91.202.63.255 netname: AKRINO-NET descr: Akrino Inc country: VG org: ORG-AI38-RIPE admin-c: IVM27-RIPE tech-c: IVM27-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PI mnt-by: