On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Steve Gibbard wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-sided_market
>>
>> They don't all have the same fee-splitting systems, and you can find an
>>example to site as precedent for just about any system you
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Steve Gibbard wrote:
> Regardless of whether the apartment broker comparison holds up,
>there are many examples of what economists call two-sided markets:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-sided_market
>
> They don't all have the same fee-splitting systems, and y
On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:47 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>> On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:25 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> There are a couple forms of shared billing.
>>
>> There's a third kind you failed to mention that doesn't require equal
>> footi
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:25 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> There are a couple forms of shared billing.
>
> There's a third kind you failed to mention that doesn't require equal footing
> of the parties. The broker.
>
> I might pay an apartment
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:32:47 EST, Jared Mauch said:
> Ultimately I managed to work something out and get service, but for
> those on the "edge" areas, its much harder than you would think to gain
> access. I suspect there will be ongoing property devaluation as a
> consequence of lack of these ut
On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>> Broadband in the US is not in that boat. Too many consumers have
>> a "choice" of a single provider. The vast majority of the rest
>> have the "choice" of two providers.
>
> I dunno. I'v
On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:25 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> There are a couple forms of shared billing.
There's a third kind you failed to mention that doesn't require equal footing
of the parties. The broker.
I might pay an apartment broker $X to help find me an apartment. In turn the
apartment bro
Sprint also offers unlimited 3G/4G data, and they were *really* specific in a
mailing to their customers a couple days ago actually that "unlimited means
unlimited, not like some of our competitors are doing to their customers".
D
On Nov 30, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> MetroPCS als
On 2010-11-30 @ 1122, William Herrin wrote:
> I checked it out when I updated my credit card number online recently.
> The billing page has a place to describe a cap and overage charges.
> It's listed as unlimited. Not saying you're wrong. Just saying that
> the billing documentation disagrees.
A
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Andrew Koch wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin wrote:
>>
>>> So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I have a 200 amp
>>> electrical service at my house. But I don't pay for a
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> On 11/30/10 9:07 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>> My Verizon Blackberry plan says unlimited data. Including the tether.
>
> Its 5GB, trust me on that one.
I checked it out when I updated my credit card number online recently.
The billing page h
I used to have an unlimited EVDO service from Sprint, when they changed to
5GB I called to complain and was advised that my plan was grandfathered, my
new limit 5GB but with $0/GB overage.
Jeff
On Nov 30, 2010 11:24 AM, "Brielle Bruns" wrote:
On 11/30/10 9:07 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>
> My Ve
On Nov 30, 2010, at 11:47 AM, George Bonser wrote:
>
>
>> Seriously this has nothing to do with L3 but more with Netflix...it's
>> clear that the Netflix business model is eating into Comcast VoD
>> business and so they are strong arming other providers to affect
>> Netflix's business model. Bu
> Seriously this has nothing to do with L3 but more with Netflix...it's
> clear that the Netflix business model is eating into Comcast VoD
> business and so they are strong arming other providers to affect
> Netflix's business model. But as others have stated what would happen
> if
> Comcast star
On 11/30/2010 10:23 AM, Rettke, Brian wrote:
I think we need to start with education at every level. Watching 1-2
movies a day, some additional streaming content, using the VoIP phone
whenever, and surfing the web is normal behavior. Running occasional
P2P is normal behavior.
What are you us
MetroPCS also offers unlimited EVDO.
Owen
On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> On 11/30/10 9:07 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>> My Verizon Blackberry plan says unlimited data. Including the tether.
>>
>
> Its 5GB, trust me on that one. Former roommate worked for Verizon Wireless
I just wanted to stop and say I'm glad we can have this kind of debate :)
I think we need to start with education at every level. Watching 1-2 movies a
day, some additional streaming content, using the VoIP phone whenever, and
surfing the web is normal behavior. Running occasional P2P is normal
On 11/30/10 9:07 AM, William Herrin wrote:
My Verizon Blackberry plan says unlimited data. Including the tether.
Its 5GB, trust me on that one. Former roommate worked for Verizon
Wireless as a high level blackberry tech in the local call center - they
quietly added the cap to all plans over
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM, William Warren
wrote:
> On 11/30/2010 12:09 AM, Andrew Koch wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin wrote:
>>
>>> So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I have a 200 amp
>>> electrical service at my house. But I don't pay for a 200 amp
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On 11/30/2010 12:09 AM, Andrew Koch wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin wrote:
So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I have a 200 amp
electrical service at my house. But I don't pay for a 200 amp service,
I pay for kilowatt-hours of usage.
There
Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning
Comcast'sActions
"On November 19, 2010, Comcast informed Level 3 that, for the first
time, it will demand a recurring fee from Level 3 to transmit Internet
online movies and other content to Comcast's customers who reque
I spent have the GDP of Kyrgyzstan on their roaming charges when I
thought my Google Voice was using the WiFi vs. the mobile network.
Jeff
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Mikael Abra
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Considering there are mobile roaming partners that charge USD10-15 per
megabyte, unfortunately that proposition is really hard to do in todays
global market.
but really, the 'cost' here
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Andrew Koch wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin wrote:
>> So if we can't bill you by usage, and at a consumer level we can't,
>> then we have to find another way. Statistics and prayer isn't working
>> out as well as we'd hoped so we're looking
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> Considering there are mobile roaming partners that charge USD10-15 per
> megabyte, unfortunately that proposition is really hard to do in todays
> global market.
but really, the 'cost' here is the same as a local wireless user for
air-
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Owen DeLong wrote:
pay for domestic. (If any of you cellular companies are listening, that's
right, I'd be willing to pay ~$250/month for global unlimited voice/data
and my usage would not increase very much above what you're already
providing). I also happen to know that I'
On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Andrew Koch wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin wrote:
>
>> So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I have a 200 amp
>> electrical service at my house. But I don't pay for a 200 amp service,
>> I pay for kilowatt-hours of usage.
>>
>>
On Nov 29, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
>
>> In the Uk, we used to have 2MB DSL, and business providers like myself would
>> happily provide it on the basis of CBR 2Mbit and we did'nt care what you did
>> with it. 2Mbit is more
On 11/29/10 7:51 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
> In the Uk, we used to have 2MB DSL, and business providers like myself would
> happily provide it on the basis of CBR 2Mbit and we did'nt care what you did
> with it. 2Mbit is more than enough for streaming and I challenge anyone
> otherwise.
>
While t
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin wrote:
> So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I have a 200 amp
> electrical service at my house. But I don't pay for a 200 amp service,
> I pay for kilowatt-hours of usage.
>
> There are several problems transplanting that billing model
On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:17 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> And doesn't Moore's Law mean that 18 months from now
> it should cost half as much?
Maybe for the parts that are electrical, but for the parts that are optical,
they may have a longer span. Also, not everyone swaps out those electrical
par
errin
Sent: 30 November 2010 04:17
To: Ben Butler
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
> Then consumer broadband came along, the subs went
> down, the headline speeds went up,
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
> Then consumer broadband came along, the subs went
> down, the headline speeds went up, service delivery
> becomes impossible in the face of the marketing BS
> and here we are.
Hi Ben,
So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I
On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
> In the Uk, we used to have 2MB DSL, and business providers like myself would
> happily provide it on the basis of CBR 2Mbit and we did'nt care what you did
> with it. 2Mbit is more than enough for streaming and I challenge anyone
> otherwise.
> It would be bad form, IMO, for the state to come back to Mc'D's and
say
> "hey...you guys are doing a thriving business here...we want a bigger
cut,
> and if we don't get it, we'll barracade the exits and you'll do NO
business
> in these shops you've stood up. Furthermore, we don't care if our
c
In the Uk, we used to have 2MB DSL, and business providers like myself would
happily provide it on the basis of CBR 2Mbit and we did'nt care what you did
with it. 2Mbit is more than enough for streaming and I challenge anyone
otherwise.
Then consumer broadband came along, the subs went down, t
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Ben Butler wrote:
> It is not double billing, it is shared billing.
Hi Ben,
Nice try, but no.
There are a couple forms of shared billing. The one you're probably
talking about is The Dance. Everybody pays to get in to the dance. The
organizer provides a ballroo
: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
Sent: 30 November 2010 02:19
To: Patrick W. Gilmore
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> <http://www.marketwatch.com/st
been coming
for at least five years with video, and the next one is SIP with call revenues.
Show me the money!
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Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions
On 11/29/10 3:59 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>
> But this isn't a technology problem, or a ratio problem.
Comcast's blog specificall
On Nov 29, 2010, at 3:42 PM, George Bonser wrote:
>
>
>> From: Rettke, Brian
>> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:41 PM
>> To: Patrick W. Gilmore; NANOG list
>> Subject: RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning
>> Comcast'sActions
>&
> From: Rettke, Brian
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:41 PM
> To: Patrick W. Gilmore; NANOG list
> Subject: RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning
> Comcast'sActions
>
> Essentially, the question is who has to pay for the infrastructure
day, November 29, 2010 5:47 PM
> To: Patrick W. Gilmore
> Cc: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement
> Concerning Comcast'sActions
>
> Between the lines: Comcast wants to end mutual peering
> agreements (due to:
> ratios, politics , greed)
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