Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-21 Thread Owen DeLong
Furst rule of dealing with $CABLECO — If you don’t like the answer you get on this phone call, redial. The next person will probably give you a different answer. Certainly you can almost always get the answer you are looking for (even if it’s wrong) within 5 calls if you are that patient. Owen

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-21 Thread Curtis Maurand
On 7/21/2015 4:05 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:13:48 -0400, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: At least in Maine where I am, TWC does allow you to bring your own modem as long as it's DOCSIS 3 compliant and there's lots of those from motorola, netgear and others.

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-21 Thread Ricky Beam
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:13:48 -0400, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: At least in Maine where I am, TWC does allow you to bring your own modem as long as it's DOCSIS 3 compliant and there's lots of those from motorola, netgear and others. You're not stuck with the Ubee. You are

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-21 Thread Curtis Maurand
On 7/20/2015 5:59 PM, Ricky Beam wrote: On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:45:43 -0400, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote: For now, all the customers with the Ubee in bridge mode are SOL. It's not clear what the reason is, but Ubee in bridge mode with IPv6 is listed on the road map. If that's intentional

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-20 Thread Ricky Beam
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:45:43 -0400, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote: For now, all the customers with the Ubee in bridge mode are SOL. It's not clear what the reason is, but Ubee in bridge mode with IPv6 is listed on the road map. If that's intentional policy or that the firmware isn't ready

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-18 Thread Seth Mos
Ricky Beam schreef op 18-7-2015 om 1:14: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 06:25:26 -0400, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: mean that your UBee has to do dhcpv6? (or the downstream thingy from the UBee has to do dhcpv6?) The Ubee router is in bridge mode. Customers have ZERO access to the

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-18 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Andrew Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote: I had to beat up on ATT quite a bit, but instead of letting them make notes, escalate to tier-2 because you can't reach work. Explain that you must have IPv6 to reach work to the tier-2. If they won't help demand to be

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-18 Thread Andrew Kirch
I had to beat up on ATT quite a bit, but instead of letting them make notes, escalate to tier-2 because you can't reach work. Explain that you must have IPv6 to reach work to the tier-2. If they won't help demand to be escalated further. Your time on the phone costs them money. On Sat, Jul 18,

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-18 Thread Rafael Possamai
The best way to complain is to simply move the service to another provider (when possible). 50 bucks a month of revenue to them is not worth the hassle of having a tech user asking for all sorts of non-standard configs. It shouldn't be that way, but that's how it usually goes. Think about it,

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-17 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/17/15, 6:25 AM, Christopher Morrow christopher.mor...@gmail.com on behalf of morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: Business Class DOCSIS customers get a

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: Business Class DOCSIS customers get a prefix automatically (unless you provide your own gateway and DHCPv6 isn¹t enabled). doesn't the last paranthetical

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-17 Thread Ricky Beam
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 06:25:26 -0400, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: mean that your UBee has to do dhcpv6? (or the downstream thingy from the UBee has to do dhcpv6?) The Ubee router is in bridge mode. Customers have ZERO access to the thing, even when it is running in

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-15 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/13/15, 3:43 PM, NANOG on behalf of Ricky Beam nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:32:33 -0400, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is actively engaged in the community, as

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-15 Thread Ricky Beam
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: Business Class DOCSIS customers get a prefix automatically (unless you provide your own gateway and DHCPv6 isn¹t enabled). I looked last night at the office in Cary, NC. NO RAs are seen on the link coming from the Ubee

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread John Peach
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 20:38:13 -0700 Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:35:35PM -0400, John Peach wrote: and I wouldn't hold my breath over IPv6; I have to run stunnel so I can send email from home because they don't even use TLS. Having Hmm, I just recently

RE: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread David Hubbard
From: Mel Beckman [mailto:m...@beckman.org] David, Did you consider running an IPv6 tunnel through HE.net? We couldn't get the desired throughput via HE tunnel. We tried it, then switched to v6 through VPN using a slice of our own allocation, but ultimately didn't want that overhead

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mel Beckman m...@beckman.org wrote: David, Did you consider running an IPv6 tunnel through HE.net? Tunnels work, but they really are getting old. I have run 3ffe:: 6bone, HE tunnels, and (currently) aiccu. They all work very reliably, and I have immense

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread John Peach
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:06:56 -0700 Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: From: John Peach Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:02 AM smtps was deprecated years ago and is not implemented in postfix, hence the need for stunnel. I should have said they don't implement STARTTLS on either 25 or

RE: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread Paul B. Henson
From: John Peach Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:02 AM smtps was deprecated years ago and is not implemented in postfix, hence the need for stunnel. I should have said they don't implement STARTTLS on either 25 or 587. Oh, ok; I assumed you were talking about a client, not an MTA. Why are

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread Ricky Beam
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:32:33 -0400, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is actively engaged in the community, as where vz Fios is not. Yes, because TWC-BC's IPv6 support is stellar. Sorry, I misspelled non-existent. Their DIA

RE: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread David Hubbard
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote: Seems to be a lot less noise on this iteration of the shake fist at Verizon's lack of IPv6 thread, I guess everybody is pretty much burned out and given up 8-/. Verizon should just update their IPv6 status page with a link to hurricane electric's

RE: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote: Seems to be a lot less noise on this iteration of the shake fist at Verizon's lack of IPv6 thread, I guess everybody is pretty much burned out and given up 8-/. Verizon should just update their IPv6 status page with a link to hurricane electric's

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-13 Thread Mel Beckman
David, Did you consider running an IPv6 tunnel through HE.net? -mel via cell On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:46 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote: Seems to be a lot less noise on this iteration of the shake fist at Verizon's lack of

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 02:32:33PM -0700, Ca By wrote: Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is actively engaged in the community, as where vz Fios is not. Business only understand $ Yah, cheap bastards :). I've got 50/50 fios right now; TWC can match the

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:35:35PM -0400, John Peach wrote: and I wouldn't hold my breath over IPv6; I have to run stunnel so I can send email from home because they don't even use TLS. Having Hmm, I just recently set up my mail client to use Verizon's smtp servers, and TLS seemed to work

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 01:31:54AM +, Mel Beckman wrote: Just set up the tunnel. It works beautifully. Yeah, I probably will. Shouldn't expose my bluff, but I probably won't switch to business cable, I actually use my upstream 8-/. But I needed to get in one last rant before I went that

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread Ca By
On Sunday, July 12, 2015, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far as I can tell, there's been no new official news since 2013. We're deploying IPv6 at the university I work at, so IPv6 at

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread John Peach
The only reason I have FIOS is because they gave me a 2 year deal of 15/15 internet for $30/month. Their advertising is basically just lies and I wouldn't hold my breath over IPv6; I have to run stunnel so I can send email from home because they don't even use TLS. Having said that, I have an

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote: I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far as I can tell, there's been no new official news since 2013. We're deploying IPv6 at the university I work at, so IPv6 at home is moving from

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-12 Thread Mel Beckman
Just set up the tunnel. It works beautifully. And thank you, HE.net, for being such a stellar tech leader! -mel On Jul 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far