Re: [NANOG] Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-08-01 Thread Jim Popovitch via NANOG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 11:19 -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > 1. They needed to stop doing so a few decades ago.  Anybody still > doing it today is doing it on purpose, which of course leads directly > to the question: why? One reason as to "why" is tha

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Meredith
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 11:19:36 -0400, Rich Kulawiec may have written: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 05:53:48PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > > I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing > > so. > > 1. They needed to stop doing so a few decades ago. Anybody still doing > it tod

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-08-01 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 05:53:48PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. 1. They needed to stop doing so a few decades ago. Anybody still doing it today is doing it on purpose, which of course leads directly to the question: why? 2.

RE: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-27 Thread Ryan Hamel
-Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:36 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:19:22PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > can we please just stop this nonsense? An excellent way

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-27 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:19:22PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > can we please just stop this nonsense? An excellent way to stop this particular nonsense is to firewall out every network allocation under the control of Psychz. This achieves lossless compression of incoming data. ---rsk

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-25 Thread Joe Hamelin
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:13 PM Christopher Morrow < morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > > it's totally possible that the person who 'runs' the abuse@ is not the > person that 'runs' the mail system at the places in question. At my work you'll get an email issue addressed if you send it to postm

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Daniel Corbe
Maybe he’s hoping there’s an off chance that someone from psychz.net is subscribed and listening. After all they run a network and this is an operational mailing list. at 10:54 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: Why are you telling us here on Nanog? -mel

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:55 PM Dan Hollis wrote: > I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. > > it's totally possible that the person who 'runs' the abuse@ is not the person that 'runs' the mail system at the places in question. the larger the organization the ce

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Mel Beckman
Why are you telling us here on Nanog? -mel > On Jul 24, 2018, at 7:43 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article you write: >> I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. > > See Canute, King. > > R's, > John

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. See Canute, King. R's, John

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Dan Hollis
I'm saying people who filter their abuse mailboxes need to stop doing so. -Dan On Wed, 25 Jul 2018, Mel Beckman wrote: Dan, Are you saying Nanog if spamming you? It's not at all clear what your complaint is. -mel via cell On Jul 24, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: On Tue, Jul 24

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
I bet you can search the nanog list archive and find this very discussion topic surface about ever 8-12 months... folk always fall in this trap (or a form of it): "Welp, we've had 1 too many people in $CORP get infected via email, spam filter all the things!!!" ... wait... "Oh, yea duh.. ou

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Ross Tajvar
Seemed pretty clear to me. He sent an abuse report to ab...@psychz.net and it was rejected as spam. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 8:11 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > Dan, > > Are you saying Nanog if spamming you? It's not at all clear what your > complaint is. > > -mel via cell > > > On Jul 24, 2018, at 4:37 P

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Mel Beckman
Dan, Are you saying Nanog if spamming you? It's not at all clear what your complaint is. -mel via cell > On Jul 24, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:19:22PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: >> can we please just stop this nonsense? >> >> ip under your direct

Re: unwise filtering policy on abuse mailboxes

2018-07-24 Thread Brian Kantor
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:19:22PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > can we please just stop this nonsense? > > ip under your direct control originates sewage. you should accept reports > as-is. > > requiring victims of your sewage to go through special contortions to > report it to you is not accep