Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-09 Thread Henk Steenman
On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Jonas Frey wrote: the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end of that page. Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at the same time. I guess this is

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-03 Thread Andy Davidson
On 2 Dec 2009, at 20:46, Lasher, Donn wrote: This year I've been seeing what appears to be an increasing trend among service providers.. making the decision to leave public peering. Peering is often sold as 'cheaper than transit' - for everyone that is a gross generalisation, for many

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-03 Thread Ken Chase
Check out this report on the success of peering : https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/document/showDocument/id/158 This seems to be a protected document behind login-only section of the site. Can anyone comment on wether the document should be publically accessible? Would love to spread it

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-03 Thread Serge Radovcic
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:53:46 -0500 Ken Chase m...@sizone.org wrote: Check out this report on the success of peering : https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/document/showDocument/id/158 This seems to be a protected document behind login-only section of the site. Can anyone comment on wether the

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:46:46PM -0800, Lasher, Donn wrote: I realized that paid transit is down at almost obscene levels, but is that enough of a reason to increase hop-count, latencies, etc? Why disconnect from public mostly-free peering? Let's look at some

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Lasher, Donn wrote: that enough of a reason to increase hop-count, latencies, etc? In what way is hop-count a valid measurement of network preformance/quality? Today with gigabit links serialisation-delay is a non-issue so hop-count is not important anymore.

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Jonas Frey
Leo, the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end of that page. Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at the same time. I guess this is a move to stop company leaving public exchanges...i have seen this trend, too. Regards, Jonas On Wed,

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Patrick W . Gilmore
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Lasher, Donn wrote: This year I've been seeing what appears to be an increasing trend among service providers.. making the decision to leave public peering. I'm sure others on this list as seeing that trend as well. I have a couple of guesses, but I'm curious , and

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Jack Bates
Leo Bicknell wrote: rate, and that helps offset some of the costs. I've oversimplified, and it's a very complex problem for most providers; however I know many are looking at the fees for peering ports go from being in the noise to a huge part of their cost structure and that doesn't work.

RE: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Shon Elliott
at dollars per meg. It doesn't make sense. -S -Original Message- From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Leaving public peering? In a message written on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:46:46PM -0800, Lasher

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Jonas Frey wrote: the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end of that page. Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at the same time. I guess this is a move to stop company leaving public exchanges...i have

Re: Leaving public peering?

2009-12-02 Thread Mehmet Akcin
On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Jonas Frey wrote: the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end of that page. Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at the same time. I guess this is