In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1105101608140.19...@goat.gigo.com, Jason Fesler wr
ites:
Of course I'm assuming individual participants will do stuff, but that
doesn't change that this IPv6 day as it stands now is a one-off event,
not the first step towards the Ultimate Goal.
The intent is
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:19 +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
For the record Apple's current iChat (the OS (10.6.7) is completely
up to date) fails such a test. It will try IPv6 and not fallback
to IPv4. End users shouldn't be seeing these sorts of errors.
Is that possibly a failure of the
On May 9, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Arie Vayner wrote:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
(the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I tried
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:22:54AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
On May 10, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Igor Gashinsky wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
:: On Tue, 10 May 2011 02:17:46 EDT, Igor Gashinsky said:
:: The time for finger-pointing is over, period, all we are all
On May 10, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:22:54AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
On May 10, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Igor Gashinsky wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
:: On Tue, 10 May 2011 02:17:46 EDT, Igor Gashinsky said:
:: The time for
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum
iljit...@muada.com wrote:
On 10 mei 2011, at 22:31, Warren Kumari wrote:
I'm also a little surprised that you figured that there were no plans past
the event -- much of the point of this is for data gathering -- did you
figure folk were
In message 1305074385.18376.566.camel@karl, Karl Auer writes:
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:19 +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
For the record Apple's current iChat (the OS (10.6.7) is completely
up to date) fails such a test. It will try IPv6 and not fallback
to IPv4. End users shouldn't be seeing
: Yahoo and IPv6
On May 10, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Igor Gashinsky wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
:: On Tue, 10 May 2011 02:17:46 EDT, Igor Gashinsky said:
::
:: The time for finger-pointing is over, period, all we are all trying
to do
:: now is figure out how
Franck Martin wrote:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-05.html
Will IPv6 become a permanent change on June 8, 2011?
No. World IPv6 day is a 24-hour trial period in which we will publish our content on both the IPv4 and IPv6 servers.
Yahoo! is
participating in order to help
Unfortunately, I suspect many organizations will be following that approach.
I hope that some will instead see this as a great opportunity for the last
step in making their public services IPv6 reachable *... and that they also
start/continue/complete taking IPv6 within their internal networks
On 5/9/11 5:06 AM, TJ wrote:
Unfortunately, I suspect many organizations will be following that approach.
I hope that some will instead see this as a great opportunity for the last
step in making their public services IPv6 reachable *... and that they also
start/continue/complete taking IPv6
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:01, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote:
On 5/9/11 5:06 AM, TJ wrote:
Unfortunately, I suspect many organizations will be following that
approach.
I hope that some will instead see this as a great opportunity for the
last
step in making their public services
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
(the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I tried to
run the Start IPv6 Test tool at
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner ar...@vayner.net wrote:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
(the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6
On Mon, 9 May 2011, Arie Vayner wrote:
What disturbs me is the piece saying We recommend disabling
IPv6http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ArHGqIAYvt_4fpp3N3vLzmNRJ3tG/SIG=11vv8jc1f/**http%3A//help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-09.html
, with a very easy link...
Even more disturbing than
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
(the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:25:55 -0400
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6
I believe the problem Yahoo is talking about in regards to broken IPv6
networks. It really comes down to your network would break for 0.078%
of the people trying to reach their site via IPv6. Broken in this case
means;
the user has a broken home gateway, or a broken firewall or his Web
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
Not speaking in any official capacity, but .. thanks.
The location that's affecting the results is pending removal from DNS;
and ASAP we hope to have the name moved to the geo-LB that suppors v6,
On 5/9/2011 08:16, Arie Vayner wrote:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
(the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I tried to
run the
On May 9, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote:
I have talked to Yahoo engineers about this and they say that their
testing has shown that, if it takes more than 3 seconds for a site to
load, they start to lose significant traffic. Hence the 3 second
timeout.
Sadly, I'm afraid that they
On 05/09/2011 10:27, Jared Mauch wrote:
I do feel the bar that Yahoo is setting is too high. There are a lot of
network elements that are broken, either DNS servers, home 'gateway/nat'
devices, or other elements in the delegation chain.
Publicly held corporations are responsible to their
-Original Message-
From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:11 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arie Vayner
Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6
On 05/09/2011 10:27, Jared Mauch wrote:
I do feel the bar that Yahoo is setting is too high
On 05/09/2011 12:40, Tony Hain wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:11 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arie Vayner
Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6
On 05/09/2011 10:27, Jared Mauch wrote:
I do feel the bar that Yahoo
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote:
I do agree with you that pointing fingers at this stage is really not
helpful. I continue to maintain that being supportive of those content
networks that are willing to wade in is the right answer.
Frankly, I think the
On May 9, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
This problem is, and always has been, on the access side. Point your
fingers that way.
aol+1/aol
I think we're in a stage where the access networks are playing catch-up.
The CPE marketplace is going to see some significant growth in sales in
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
I'd like to see more progress getting there than finger pointing.
I would, too; but one harsh reality is that vendors are driven by
RFPs, not by what they consciously know their customers will need in
the near future. Why
On May 8, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-05.html
Will IPv6 become a permanent change on June 8, 2011?
No. World IPv6 day is a 24-hour trial period in which we will publish our
content on both the IPv4 and IPv6 servers. Yahoo! is
On May 9, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On May 8, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-05.html
Will IPv6 become a permanent change on June 8, 2011?
No. World IPv6 day is a 24-hour trial period in which we will publish our
On May 9, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner ar...@vayner.net wrote:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
On May 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services
(the
Owen,
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
RIPE-NCC is probably next and I expect they will likely run out next month.
Seems a bit improbable to me, considering:
http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph
Regards,
Martin
In message 24499cc4-64a1-419c-ab06-08a82d535...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write
s:
Well, if you're having to retransmit those intermittently, then, it does
seem you have some level of brokenness with your network, no?
No. The point of retransmission is to provide reliable service
over a
On May 9, 2011 6:11 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On May 9, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner ar...@vayner.net wrote:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the
Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz wrote:
I do take issue with your suggestion that /64 LANs are in any way
smart in the datacenter. They are not. I have some slides on this
topic: http://inconcepts.biz/~jsw/IPv6_NDP_Exhaustion.pdf
There are ways of mitigating
On May 9, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On May 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
IPv6 help page...
I have IPv6 connectivity
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:14:01 PDT, Owen DeLong said:
Well, if you're having to retransmit those intermittently, then, it does seem
you
have some level of brokenness with your network, no?
So if I retransmit because *your* router is down, it's a brokenness in *my*
network?
Given the following
On May 9, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
On 05/09/2011 12:40, Tony Hain wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:11 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arie Vayner
Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6
On 05/09/2011
On May 9, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 9, 2011 6:11 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On May 9, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner ar...@vayner.net wrote:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more
On May 9, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 24499cc4-64a1-419c-ab06-08a82d535...@delong.com, Owen DeLong
write
s:
Well, if you're having to retransmit those intermittently, then, it does
seem you have some level of brokenness with your network, no?
No. The point of
On May 9, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Warren Kumari wrote:
On May 9, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On May 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said:
Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Joel Maslak jmas...@antelope.net wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz wrote:
I do take issue with your suggestion that /64 LANs are in any way
smart in the datacenter. They are not. I have some slides on this
topic:
On Mon, 9 May 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
:: Given the following posting from earlier this morning:
::
:: The location that's affecting the results is pending removal from DNS;
:: and ASAP we hope to have the name moved to the geo-LB that suppors v6,
:: instead of the round robin it
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