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I pretended to be a Russian diplomat today. Tim On 6/3/17 12:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 11:40 AM, wrote: > [...] >> >> Well, I'd be willing to buy that logic, except the specific buildings called >> out look pretty damned big for just drying

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I have just scanned this whole thread - it is the most amazing analysis of technical details I have e ver seen national security also sean I am taking this in the sense of what the hell could these russian diplomats be doing? I have been a nanog reader since this list began in the spring of

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Hi Sean You and I first met when i was at OIA about 1992 LOONG TIME ago Always thought of you as brilliant collector of info as well as analyst there of this question of yours is absolutely brilliant look at the responses (more) than 45!!! > On Jun 1, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Sean Donelan

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On 04/06/17 23:32, Rod Beck wrote: > And when you get over trying to score cheap points, you can view the map I'm not the one that needs to look at a map ;) -- Tom

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og@nanog.org Subject: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables On 01/06/17 20:44, Rod Beck wrote: > There is a website showing where most of the Trans-Atlantic cables land on > the West Coast of Britain at towns like Bude in Wales. Hiding is not an > option. Bude is

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Perfectly irrelevant, Tom.  From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Tom Hill <t...@ninjabadger.net> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 12:22:54 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables On 01/06/1

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On 01/06/17 20:44, Rod Beck wrote: > There is a website showing where most of the Trans-Atlantic cables land on > the West Coast of Britain at towns like Bude in Wales. Hiding is not an > option. Bude is in Cornwall, a county of England. It's not in Wales. -- Tom

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On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 11:40 AM, wrote: [...] > > Well, I'd be willing to buy that logic, except the specific buildings called > out look pretty damned big for just drying off a cable. For example, this > is claimed to be the US landing point for TAT-14 - looks around

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On 02/06/2017 19:46, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:11:36 -, Rod Beck said: > >> Landing stations can be 10 to 30 kilometers from the beach manhole. I don't >> think it is big concern. Hibernia Atlantic dublin landing station is a good >> example. > So 100% of those

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. From: Valdis Kletnieks <val...@vt.edu> on behalf of valdis.kletni...@vt.edu <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 8:40 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Rod Beck; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13

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On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:23:26 -0400, Christopher Morrow said: > is this a case of 'wherer the cable gets dry' vs 'where the electronics > doing cable things lives' ? > aren't (normally) the dry equipment locations a bit inland and then have > last-mile services from the consortium members headed

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It is no longer in the Westin, or if they've kept an office space it is not the public facing consulate. The security desk at the lobby frequently has to deal with confused Russian consular-service seeking people who don't want to take "no" for an answer when they're told that the consulate has

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On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 05:52:43PM +0300, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: > > https://www.nanog.org/list > 6. Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited. > It is quite clear. That's a fair point. The crypto dev world does have a tendency to veer into two of those three

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On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 12:46 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:11:36 -, Rod Beck said: > > > Landing stations can be 10 to 30 kilometers from the beach manhole. I > don't > > think it is big concern. Hibernia Atlantic dublin landing station is a > good > > example.

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On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Joe Hamelin wrote: > Christopher asks: 'nro tap room' ... what's the expansion of NRO here? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office > > I'm unsure why the NRO would have a room doing tap things in anyone's network. that

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On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:11:36 -, Rod Beck said: > Landing stations can be 10 to 30 kilometers from the beach manhole. I don't > think it is big concern. Hibernia Atlantic dublin landing station is a good > example. So 100% of those beach manholes are watertight and safe from flooding, and

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..@vt.edu> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 5:04 PM To: aheb...@pubnix.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:14:12 -0400, Alain Hebert said: > It will if the Ocean level change drastically. Raising the question - how

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On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:14:12 -0400, Alain Hebert said: > It will if the Ocean level change drastically. Raising the question - how well protected against sea level rise *is* the average cable landing/termination station, given that most landing stations in particular are probably fairly near

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On 2017-06-02 12:19, Ben McGinnes wrote: On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 10:28:38AM +0300, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: American diplomats are doing also all sort of nasty stuff in Russia(and not only), Yes they have and for a very long time. but that's a concern of the equivalent of FBI/NSA/etc,

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It will if the Ocean level change drastically. Which with this week news cycle... might not be that far fetched =D> - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911

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On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Joe Hamelin wrote: > > The Seattle Russian Embassy is in the Westin Building just 4 floors above > the fiber meet-me-room ... The only real Russian Embassy in the US is in Washington where their Ambassador is stationed, although arguably their

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Christopher asks: 'nro tap room' ... what's the expansion of NRO here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, +1 (360) 474-7474

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On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 10:28:38AM +0300, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: > > American diplomats are doing also all sort of nasty stuff in > Russia(and not only), Yes they have and for a very long time. > but that's a concern of the equivalent of FBI/NSA/etc, not operators > public discussion

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On 2017-06-02 05:42, Ben McGinnes wrote: On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:15:12PM -0700, Joe Hamelin wrote: The Seattle Russian Embassy is in the Westin Building just 4 floors above the fiber meet-me-room and five floors above the NRO tap room. They use to come ask us (an ISP) for IT help back in

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On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Joe Hamelin wrote: > > the fiber meet-me-room and five floors above the NRO tap room. They use to > 'nro tap room' ... what's the expansion of NRO here?

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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Scott Christopher wrote: But, its odd to send diplomats to remote areas of the country, if you are not trying to survey geographic infrastructure in the middle of the country. It's just "for show." If they really wanted to be invisible, they could do so without using

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:15:12PM -0700, Joe Hamelin wrote: > > The Seattle Russian Embassy is in the Westin Building just 4 floors > above the fiber meet-me-room and five floors above the NRO tap room. > They use to come ask us (an ISP) for IT help back in '96 when they > would drag an icon too

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Sean said: "Unlike cable landing stations and satellite earth stations, which are documented in public FCC licenses, usually to 6 decimal points of longitude & latitude; and and included in navigation maps" Or you just follow the manhole covers that say Global Crossings. -- Joe Hamelin,

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The Seattle Russian Embassy is in the Westin Building just 4 floors above the fiber meet-me-room and five floors above the NRO tap room. They use to come ask us (an ISP) for IT help back in '96 when they would drag an icon too far off the screen in Windows 3.11. We were on the same floor. -- Joe

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Sean Donelan wrote: > But, its odd to send diplomats to remote areas of the country, if you are > not trying to survey geographic infrastructure in the middle of the > country. It's just "for show." If they really wanted to be invisible, they could do so without using diplomats - a group

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On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: > I think regardless of what you appear to be interested in, hanging around a > beach with a big DSLR is likely to get you on one list or another. "Excuse me, sir! Can you direct us to the naval base in Alameda? It's where

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 02:02:46PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > There must be a perfectly logical explanation Yes, people in the > industry know where the choke points are. But the choke points aren't always > the most obvious places. Its kinda a weird for diplomats to show up there. Maybe

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:20:54PM -0700, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > That said, a pretty quick way to get on some homeland security watch lists > would be to hang around a cable landing station beach location with a big > DSLR camera, and appear uninterested in the beach... I think regardless of what

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On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Rod Beck wrote: And even in Kansas most fiber optic cables are probably next to roads, gas pipelines, and railways. Pretty easy to find. Unlike cable landing stations and satellite earth stations, which are documented in public FCC licenses, usually to 6 decimal points of

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On 2017-06-01 16:04, Rod Beck wrote: And even in Kansas most fiber optic cables are probably next to roads, gas pipelines, and railways. Pretty easy to find. Yep, with those orange-and-white plastic pipe markers sticking up that say "CAUTION! Buried Fiber Optic Cable!" on 'em. --

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ct: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Rod Beck wrote: > As someone who has sold a lot of capacity on Hibernia Atlantic, I must > concur. There is a website showing where most of the Trans-Atlantic > cables land on the West Coast of Britain at

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Sea levels rose pretty quickly On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Rod Beck wrote: > >> As someone who has sold a lot of capacity on Hibernia Atlantic, I must >> concur. There is a website showing where most of the Trans-Atlantic cables

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 9:54 PM To: Rod Beck Cc: Eric Kuhnke; nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Rod Beck wrote: > As someone who has sold a lot of capacity on Hibernia Atlantic, I must > concur. There is a webs

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On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Rod Beck wrote: As someone who has sold a lot of capacity on Hibernia Atlantic, I must concur. There is a website showing where most of the Trans-Atlantic cables land on the West Coast of Britain at towns like Bude in Wales. Hiding is not an option. As far as I know,

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. From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 9:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables It's not like the locations of any of the t

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It's not like the locations of any of the transatlantic or transpacific cable landing stations are a big secret. They're published in the FCC's digest reports for international authorization and whenever ownership of a cable changes hands or is restructured. Additionally it is pretty hard to hide

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That's how we found the Russian's fiber cables: "According to “Blind Man’s Bluff,” Bradley, in his predawn stupor, recalled from his youth written signs that had been posted along the Mississippi River to mark undersea cables. The signs, posted along the shore, were meant to prevent passing

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:32:28 -0700, Brandon Vincent said: > DO NOT ANCHOR OR DREDGE is a pretty good indicator. In Kansas? :) pgpYVwj6j1AF6.pgp Description: PGP signature

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DO NOT ANCHOR OR DREDGE is a pretty good indicator. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > >> On Jun 1, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: >> >> >> There must be a perfectly logical explanation Yes, people in the >> industry know

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> On Jun 1, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > > > There must be a perfectly logical explanation Yes, people in the > industry know where the choke points are. But the choke points aren't always > the most obvious places. Its kinda a weird for diplomats to show up

Russian diplomats lingering near fiber optic cables

There must be a perfectly logical explanation Yes, people in the industry know where the choke points are. But the choke points aren't always the most obvious places. Its kinda a weird for diplomats to show up there. On the other hand, I've been a fiber optic tourist. I've visited