We opted for Adtran TA5000's with 48 port VDSL2 vectoring combo cards,
going by expected losses we expect to have more than 50mbps d/l at all
cabins, we are going to lock them at 50 anyway sincve we reply on RF
to get data in first place. and use a central splitter to separate
vdsl and POTS at
On 5/11/20 1:31 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
We need to keep battery backup requirements, and expand them to all last
mile IP bits. The need to call 911 has not gone away.
For sure. I was merely observing that the conversion of POTS to VOIP
in Australia didn't create a nation-wide disaster as the
> We need to keep battery backup requirements, and expand them to all last
> mile IP bits. The need to call 911 has not gone away.
For sure. I was merely observing that the conversion of POTS to VOIP
in Australia didn't create a nation-wide disaster as the
pearl-clutchers once predicted.
In
On 5/10/20 6:24 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
wasnt there a hige shit stom in australia for their new national
broadband network making internet ptrimary and phone secondary, a lot
of aussies on forums I frequent bitch about its reliability, where
even their aged copper services worked fine, not to
> wasnt there a hige shit stom in australia for their new national
> broadband network making internet ptrimary and phone secondary, a lot
> of aussies on forums I frequent bitch about its reliability, where
> even their aged copper services worked fine, not to mention prolonged
> outages due to
"Integrated metallic testing on the combo cards helps reduce truck rolls" I
can't stress this feature enough. Being mainly a data only CLEC, we wanted
to buy the cheaper, non-combo, data only DSL cards. However, Adtran, Calix,
Zhone, and Nokia confirmed that without the SIP to FXS combo function,
On 5/11/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP?
>>
>>
> Because it is cheaper and easier? It is a lot of equipment there simply
> does not need to be there. If you have DSL you have CPE
On 5/10/20 5:56 PM, Nick Edwards wrote:
yes, POTS is the critical bit, the internet/data is an extra without
guarantee, ie it is not a critical component, voice is.
Voice may be a critical component regulationwise, especially with CO
based battery backup. But in the rest of life IP bits
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> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Baldur Norddahl"
> To: "Nick Edwards" , nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:23:36 AM
> Subject: Re: alter
yes, POTS is the critical bit, the internet/data is an extra without
guarantee, ie it is not a critical component, voice is.
On 5/10/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> Hi Nick
>
> Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out?
> Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing
Message -
From: "Baldur Norddahl"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:57:59 PM
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
Here we have DSL in cabinets so we can have short loop lengths and DSLAMS that
control the entire bundle, to enable vectoring, v35b
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl"
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:54:01 AM
>
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- Original Message -
From: "Baldur Norddahl"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:54:01 AM
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wr
When we do DSL, we service everything out of
ADSL2+ combo cards on Zhone MXK gear.
-Integrated metallic testing on the combo cards helps reduce truck rolls
-Having dialtone on the pair helps with
identifying pairs in the field using ANAC
-Having dialtone on a pair provides sealing current
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP?
>
>
Because it is cheaper and easier? It is a lot of equipment there simply
does not need to be there. If you have DSL you have CPE equipment and that
CPE equipment can have FXP out
On 5/10/20 6:23 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Hi Nick
Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog
out? Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free
depending on where you get the CPEs.
Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:23:36 AM
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
Hi Nick
Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out?
Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending on
where you get the CPEs.
Or simply getting
Hi Nick
Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out?
Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending
on where you get the CPEs.
Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with VoIP.
Regards
Baldur
søn. 10. maj 2020 14.51
On 5/8/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Masataka Ohta <
> mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
>
>>
>> Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL.
>>
>>
> We are assuming the copper plant is already there otherwise I will
> respectfully
Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL.
We are assuming the copper plant is already there
Of course.
Assume we can build the fiber plant for 1 million USD (*).
> (*) yes 1700 installs could be done for that in optimum circumstances.
"Acceptable"
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Baldur Norddahl"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 3:57:35 PM
Subject: Re: alternat
needed, for "worker
> huts". I'm assuming the workers are not all tele-surgeons .
>
> -mel
> --
> *From:* NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl <
> baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:55 PM
> *To:* nanog@nan
t all tele-surgeons .
-mel
From: NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:55 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:05 PM Brandon Martin
mailto:lists.na...@monmotha.net>> wrote:
On
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:05 PM Brandon Martin
wrote:
> On 5/7/20 12:03 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
> > In the OP’s case however, the copper plant is private, and wholly owned
> and already in operation. So surely in that situation fiber would be much
> more expensive to dig and trench.
>
> Indeed, I
On 5/7/20 12:03 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
> In the OP’s case however, the copper plant is private, and wholly owned and
> already in operation. So surely in that situation fiber would be much more
> expensive to dig and trench.
Indeed, I was responding to Ohta's comments regarding copper vs.
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Masataka Ohta <
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL.
>
>
We are assuming the copper plant is already there otherwise I will
respectfully disagree.
However the economic is not as simple as you
> Brandon Martin said:
> In most of the USA, it's simply not cost-feasible to get access to that
> unless you either are the ILEC or are a well-established CLEC from a long
> time ago.
Brandon,
In the OP’s case however, the copper plant is private, and wholly owned and
already in
On 5/7/20 5:13 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL.
Only if you're comparing entirely new copper plant to existing copper
plant (including drops), in my experience. If you compare greenfield to
greenfield, the cost of fiber to the prem
Baldur Norddahl wrote:
I own a FTTH based ISP so I believe I know exactly what the cost are. As
it is we are smashing the copper based competition. A copper plant is
not free to run and either it can not deliver the expected speed or it
requires significant investments to get the loop length
On 06.05.2020 09.34, Simon Lockhart wrote:
On Wed May 06, 2020 at 09:17:28AM +0200, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
If you are converting why would you go for copper instead of fiber? The
typical gpon olt switch can handle 1024 or 2048 users in one rack unit and
equipment is cheap and available.
On Wed May 06, 2020 at 09:17:28AM +0200, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> If you are converting why would you go for copper instead of fiber? The
> typical gpon olt switch can handle 1024 or 2048 users in one rack unit and
> equipment is cheap and available.
"since they already have all this copper laid
If you are converting why would you go for copper instead of fiber? The
typical gpon olt switch can handle 1024 or 2048 users in one rack unit and
equipment is cheap and available.
For example this:
https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-ufiber/products/ufiber-olt
Regards
Baldur
ons. 6.
Been down that road, not a viable option, in fact i'm told if we get
this done without much drama we'll be converting our existing (much
smaller) wifi sites to copper as well, and since they already have all
this copper laid already, might as well use it
On 5/5/20, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
>
I’ve implemented these kinds of systems both ways, and in my experience, unless
the existing copper is in bad condition, it’s always a cheaper, faster, and
more reliable solution.
Construction costs to hang outdoor radios and run cables is significant. The
installation labor for a wireless
with hardware support.
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
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From: "Nick Edwards"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 8:13:51 PM
Subject: Re: alternative to voi
Thinking out of the box, why not implement a WISP setup using wifi? This
kind of gear is more accessible to normal IT staff.
Voice can be implemented by VoIP using Wifi too.
Regards
Baldur
søn. 3. maj 2020 07.22 skrev Nick Edwards :
> The huts or cabins whatever you want to call them, are
Thanks guys, much appreciated!
Company wants new, not second hand, so it's reasonable to get support
contract - at least for first year or two :) Not a lot should ever
change once set up, even if staff change, they wont have access to
residential SIP details anyway.
On 5/5/20, Brandon Martin
On 5/4/20 9:44 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
Adtran has a built in web interface too. I it slow, but it does work. I
like CLI better.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It does work for most day-to-day tasks,
though there are some things you can't do from it and have to drop to
the CLI for. Overall,
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> --
> *From: *"Nick Edwards"
> *To: *"Mike Hammett"
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 5:06:28 AM
> *Subject: *Re: alternative to voip gateways
>
> Thanks, this seems far more
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Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 5:06:28 AM
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
Thanks, this seems far more cost effective.
But what about configuration, is it easy enough to configure?
I'm told it must be simple to config and understand and if possible
web base
On 5/4/20 6:11 AM, Nick Edwards wrote:
Thanks for suggestion, as per previous, how easy it to configure?
It needs to be understood by laymen if possible, i'm no layman, but
im no carrier grade networking guru either, most my setups are 300 odd
users, where the gateway and dslam method is cost
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> ____
> From: "Nick Edwards"
> To: "Jeremy Austin"
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM
> Subject: Re: alternativ
xchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Nick Edwards"
> To: "Jeremy Austin"
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM
> Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
>
> The huts or cabins
Yes, that’s what we use. But it means punching down all the wires all over
again, or running jumpers if you don’t have enough spare service loop.
-mel via cell
> On May 3, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail)
> wrote:
>
> On May 3, 2020, at 11:09, Mel Beckman wrote:
>>
>>
On May 3, 2020, at 11:09, Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> ...
> The most time consuming part is wiring the existing POTS lines into amphenol
> connectors to plug into the DSLAM, 25 pairs at a time.
...
>
>
> -mel beckman
You may already be familiar with this, but leaving it here in case it
lt;https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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From: "Nick Edwards"
To: "Jeremy Austin"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM
there.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Edwards"
To: "Jeremy Austin"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
Thanks, I know the vega marketing says 7 kilometers, I've used them
before at 4 kilometers with at 4REN, I agree the grandstreams are
cheap and as someone pointed out not very good for line length, I
planned to get my hands on one and test it at furthest location, the
Versa dslams (which are re
The huts or cabins whatever you want to call them, are right behind
the admin building at entrance, so first is about 300 meters and the
furtherest is just under 1 mile
Cost will be an issue, Im sure I will have no problems if I have to
install a full rack of gateways and another full of dslams
Thank you, will do, but I am to assume that this MSAN devices combine
the dslam and voice, like the gateway and dslam all in one? That we
point the dsl to the mikrotik asnd teh voice to our freepbx box?
I have zero experience with high end gear :)
On 5/2/20, Andrey Slastenov wrote:
> Look at
Message -
From: "Nick Edwards"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 11:20:40 PM
Subject: alternative to voip gateways
I'm looking at a new sister company we just took over, their remote
village has 1700 analogue phone lines to the workers huts, but they go
nowhere pa
@nanog.org
Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
hey,
> But this all results in a sh1te load of 48 port gateways (power is not
> a concern), but wondering if there is another solution that is more
> cost effective? Seems the regular NEC's Siemens and so on might have
> an op
hey,
But this all results in a sh1te load of 48 port gateways (power is not
a concern), but wondering if there is another solution that is more
cost effective? Seems the regular NEC's Siemens and so on might have
an option but I can imagine it will be far more expensive than a bunch
of
What’s the average loop length? Grandstream is probably OK to 5+ kfeet but
you will lose CID before that.
As the low cost option don’t expect them to be trouble-free (or have
particularly good vendor support), but they might work in your application
if cheap is what makes sense.
My $.02
Jeremy
Look at MSAN solution. Like Huawei UA5000 or similar solutions from other
vendors.
Regards,
Andrey
> 2 мая 2020 г., в 07:21, Nick Edwards написал(а):
>
> I'm looking at a new sister company we just took over, their remote
> village has 1700 analogue phone lines to the workers huts, but
I'm looking at a new sister company we just took over, their remote
village has 1700 analogue phone lines to the workers huts, but they go
nowhere past the MDF.
The office runs voip, now i'm told i have to get phones to the workers
because the AKA previous owners of that
business stopped the
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