Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-03-18 Thread Deric Kwok
Anymore success to use multiple CPU to bind NIC to increase the performance Thank you On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Nathan Ward wrote: > On 22/02/2009, at 8:27 AM, Leen Besselink wrote: > > If you had to choose, it's probably smarted to go with OpenBSD, it has a >> lot better integration of

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-22 Thread Nathan Ward
On 22/02/2009, at 8:27 AM, Leen Besselink wrote: If you had to choose, it's probably smarted to go with OpenBSD, it has a lot better integration of packet filter, bgpd-daemon, ospf, vrrp- like, etc. If you have one eBGP session in your whole network, sure. However if you have more than one,

Re: hardware choices (Re: real hardware router VS linux router)

2009-02-21 Thread Josh Potter
I think it's safe to define "real hardware" as hardware with ASIC's as opposed to software based solutions. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Edward B. DREGER < eddy+public+s...@noc.everquick.net >wrote: > DK> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:16 -0500 > DK> From: Deric Kwok > > [ snip ] > > Let's blu

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-21 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Leen Besselink wrote: > If you had to choose, it's probably smarted to go with OpenBSD, it has a > lot better integration of packet filter, bgpd-daemon, ospf, vrrp-like, etc. If you'd like a hope in hell of handling higher packet rates, where "higher packet rates" is "more t

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-21 Thread Leen Besselink
mike wrote: > Well, > >Our operation uses linux everywhere and we have our own in house tiny > embedded flavor with all the tools and things that make it suited for > use in big and small boxes as many kinds of router and general packet > flipping appliance. I have confidence built on long ter

hardware choices (Re: real hardware router VS linux router)

2009-02-21 Thread Edward B. DREGER
DK> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:16 -0500 DK> From: Deric Kwok [ snip ] Let's blur the line a bit more: CompactPCI? NICs such as those [apparently] offered by Cavium... or any other number of places working ARM/Freescale, MIPS, or PowerPC magic on NICs? What is "real" hardware, anyway? Would

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Eric Gearhart
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Bill Nash wrote: > Having carped, I'm obligated to offer a solution: > The technical discussion is certainly interesting to a small subset of NANOG > participants, I'm sure (I do find it interesting, I promise), but I'm > thinking this conversation is better elsewh

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Jack Bates
Leen Besselink wrote: And I had a ticket from a few months ago with one of our transit-providers because they had a Juniper router reboot, it turned out this was because a harddisk failure of one of the routing engines. Given the redundancy capabilities of Juniper M/T series, that actually sc

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Leen Besselink said: > And I had a ticket from a few months ago with one of our transit-providers > because they had a Juniper router reboot, it turned out this was because > a harddisk failure of one of the routing engines. > > So 'real'-routers have those moving parts as well.

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Leen Besselink
Ray Burkholder wrote: >> In scaling upward. How would a linux router even if a kernel guru were >> to tweak and compile an optimized build, compare to a 7600/RSP720CXL or >> a Juniper PIC in ASIC? At some point packets/sec becomes a limitation I >> would think. >> > > Is anyone building linux/bsd-

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Leen Besselink
William Warren wrote: > On 2/19/2009 9:37 AM, Ryan Harden wrote: > While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a > real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces > part of the equation. > > In almost all scenarios, moving parts are more prone to f

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread William Hamilton
> > > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Ryan Harden wrote: >> >>> While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a >>> real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces >>> part of the equation. >>> >> >> Not if you boot directly from USB key into memory with no

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Nathan Ward
On 20/02/2009, at 9:51 PM, Bailey Stephen wrote: Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but what about solid state hard drives? Think they are in the high GB capacity now and solves the problem of no moving parts? Regular CF works fine. CF's interface is ATA, so you can drop it in

RE: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-20 Thread Bailey Stephen
: mike Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: real hardware router VS linux router On 2/19/09, mike wrote: > > > > Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Ryan Harden wrote: >> >> >>> While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a >>> real hardwa

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On 2/19/09, mike wrote: > > > > Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Ryan Harden wrote: >> >> >>> While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a >>> real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces >>> part of the equation. >>> >>> >> >> Not if you boot direct

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Joe Greco
> Ryan Harden wrote: > > While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a > > real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces > > part of the equation. > > Not if you boot directly from USB key into memory with no disk drive. You probably don't want

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread mike
Steve Bertrand wrote: Ryan Harden wrote: While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces part of the equation. Not if you boot directly from USB key into memory with no disk drive. Steve

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Steve Bertrand
Ryan Harden wrote: > While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a > real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces > part of the equation. Not if you boot directly from USB key into memory with no disk drive. Steve

Re: Appropriate list for Linux routers (was: real hardware router VS linux router)

2009-02-19 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009, Brian Keefer wrote: > If anyone would like to drop me a line off-list to point me in the > right direction, I'd be very grateful. So far the most useful > information I've found on the topic has been via this list. > > PS I'm talking specifically about Linux. The FreeB

Appropriate list for Linux routers (was: real hardware router VS linux router)

2009-02-19 Thread Brian Keefer
On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Bill Nash wrote: Having carped, I'm obligated to offer a solution: The technical discussion is certainly interesting to a small subset of NANOG participants, I'm sure (I do find it interesting, I promise), but I'm thinking this conversation is better elsewhere,

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:16 EST, Deric Kwok said: > Hi All > > Actually, what is the different hardware router VS linux router? I'm continually amazed by the number of people who manage to conflate two entirely different issues here. There's *TWO* axes here: | PC-class hardware

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Bill Nash
You know you're off track when.. What operational relevance does this conversation, or the similiar ones that came before it, have? Are there a bunch in production contributing to the degradation of the best route between me and this video of cute kittens I'm trying to watch? Did something

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread William Warren
On 2/19/2009 9:37 AM, Ryan Harden wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces part of the equation. In almost all scenarios, moving parts are

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Steve Bertrand
Ingo Flaschberger wrote: > > this plattform can handle about > 100.000pps and 400mbit 1500byte packets with freebsd > http://lannerinc.com/Network_Application_Platforms/x86_Network_Appliance/1U_Network_Appliances/FW-7550 > > hardware: > 4x pci 32bit, 33mhz intel gbit > 1gb cf-card > 1

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
this plattform can handle about 100.000pps and 400mbit 1500byte packets with freebsd http://lannerinc.com/Network_Application_Platforms/x86_Network_Appliance/1U_Network_Appliances/FW-7550 hardware: 4x pci 32bit, 33mhz intel gbit 1gb cf-card 1gb ram with this hardware even

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Bill Blackford wrote: > >> In scaling upward. How would a linux router even if a kernel guru were >> to tweak and compile an optimized build, compare to a 7600/RSP720CXL >> or a Juniper PIC in ASIC? At some point packets/sec becomes a >> li

RE: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Ray Burkholder
> > In scaling upward. How would a linux router even if a kernel guru were > to tweak and compile an optimized build, compare to a 7600/RSP720CXL or > a Juniper PIC in ASIC? At some point packets/sec becomes a limitation I > would think. > Is anyone building linux/bsd-box add-on cards with off

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Bill Blackford wrote: In scaling upward. How would a linux router even if a kernel guru were to tweak and compile an optimized build, compare to a 7600/ RSP720CXL or a Juniper PIC in ASIC? At some point packets/sec becomes a limitation I would think. I've aske

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Jack Bates
Bill Blackford wrote: In scaling upward. How would a linux router even if a kernel guru were to tweak and compile an optimized build, compare to a 7600/RSP720CXL or a Juniper PIC in ASIC? At some point packets/sec becomes a limitation I would think. It scales quite well, I'm sure, if you take

RE: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Bill Blackford
...@uiuc.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:37 AM To: Deric Kwok Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: real hardware router VS linux router -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a real hardware router, you're always goi

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread David E. Smith
Ryan Harden wrote: While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces part of the equation. In almost all scenarios, moving parts are more prone to failure than non-moving parts. It's quite possible t

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread mike
Well, Our operation uses linux everywhere and we have our own in house tiny embedded flavor with all the tools and things that make it suited for use in big and small boxes as many kinds of router and general packet flipping appliance. I have confidence built on long term, real world exper

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
Imagestream is a very solid and mature solution. In order to head off the Holy War I am a Cisco guy too. It just depends on your budget and situation. Justin > From: Deric Kwok > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:16 -0500 > To: > Subject: real hardware router VS linux router

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Colin Alston
Deric Kwok wrote: > Hi All > > Actually, what is the different hardware router VS linux router? > > Have you had experience to compare real router eg: cisco VS linux router? Archives have discussed this at extreme length. The most interesting thing I saw come out of it was this http://data.guu

RE: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Bruce Grobler
comes down to what you want to do. -Original Message- From: Deric Kwok [mailto:deric.kwok2...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:30 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: real hardware router VS linux router Hi All Actually, what is the different hardware router VS linux router

Re: real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Ryan Harden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While you could probably build a linux router that is just as fast as a real hardware router, you're always going to run into the moving pieces part of the equation. In almost all scenarios, moving parts are more prone to failure than non-moving parts

real hardware router VS linux router

2009-02-19 Thread Deric Kwok
Hi All Actually, what is the different hardware router VS linux router? Have you had experience to compare real router eg: cisco VS linux router? eg: streaming speed... tcp / udp Thank you for your information