RE: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread michael.dillon
> But I worry slightly that we are spending time thinking up solutions > to things that are not problems for most people subscribed to > the list. Do I take it you believe that the people who complain about postings to the list are a minority and we should just ignore them? Even though this sm

Re: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Feb-2007, at 04:37, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I worry slightly that we are spending time thinking up solutions to things that are not problems for most people subscribed to the list. Do I take it you believe that the people who complain about postings to the list are a minority

Re: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread William B. Norton
I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list. Folks used to complain that the mailing list has become useless, too many msgs, too much noise, not much hate, etc. but we don't really have a way to measure the utility of the list. It is too bad we don't have a way to vote thumb

Re: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > On 20-Feb-2007, at 04:37, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> But I worry slightly that we are spending time thinking up solutions > >> to things that are not problems for most people subscribed to > >> the list. > > > > Do I take it you believe that the people who complain about > > posti

Adding taglines to every message on the list

2007-02-20 Thread michael.dillon
> It certainly would be nice if all complainers would go away. I'm > sure that would make the organization run much better. :-) It's really time to change the list so that taglines can be added to every message forwarded by the list. I vote that the above comment be included as one of the tags, ch

How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
In another message, William B. Norton wrote: I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list. I think that if the mailing list was moved from merit to its own server, and out from under the tyranny of majordomo to mailman, that you'd be shocked at the number of people who fi

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: In another message, William B. Norton wrote: I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list. I think that if the mailing list was moved from merit to its own server, and out from under the tyranny of majordomo to mailman, that you'

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Lucy Lynch wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: In another message, William B. Norton wrote: I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list. ...the number of people who find the list valuable... Majordomo will let you do this as well, it's an owner config

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: [snip] Sure, but not really my point. In fact, sadly enough, the merit majordomo does not even allow the "which" command, and that is just plain dumb. Stupid. Silly. Upon reflection, I regret that comment. Perhaps I might have phrased it differently, had I reflected a bi

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Gadi Evron
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Lucy Lynch wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > > > In another message, William B. Norton wrote: > > > >> I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list. > > > > I think that if the mailing list was moved from merit to its own server, > > and

Re: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread Randy Bush
> Folks used to complain that the mailing list has become useless, too many > msgs, too much noise, not much hate, etc. but we don't really have a way to > measure the utility of the list. It is too bad we don't have a way to vote > thumbs up or thumbs down on msgs. Could we implement something l

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Feb-2007, at 11:05, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: [snip] Sure, but not really my point. In fact, sadly enough, the merit majordomo does not even allow the "which" command, and that is just plain dumb. Stupid. Silly. Upon reflection, I regret that comment. Perhaps I migh

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > On 20-Feb-2007, at 11:05, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > [ snip ] > migration from majordomo to Mailman. And this should be requirements driven instead of brand driven. -M<

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Feb-2007, at 13:25, Martin Hannigan wrote: And this should be requirements driven instead of brand driven. I have no reason to think that isn't happening.

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > On 20-Feb-2007, at 13:25, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > > And this should be requirements driven instead of > > brand driven. > > I have no reason to think that isn't happening. > > That wasn't necessarily directed at you or Madame Etaoin. -M<

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Feb-2007, at 14:26, Martin Hannigan wrote: On 20-Feb-2007, at 13:25, Martin Hannigan wrote: And this should be requirements driven instead of brand driven. I have no reason to think that isn't happening. That wasn't necessarily directed at you or Madame Etaoin. I know :-)

Re: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread Simon Lyall
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, William B. Norton wrote: > I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list. > > Folks used to complain that the mailing list has become useless, too many > msgs, too much noise, not much hate, etc. but we don't really have a way to > measure the utility of the

Polling the NANOG List

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Muir
How about a survey of the mailing list members to see what they think? - Simon J. Lyall Considering that this is a mailing list to supplement the NANOG meetings how about if we restrict the poll participants to people who have attended a NANOG in the last 12 months! Ron

Re: Throwing out the NANOG AUP

2007-02-20 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Simon Lyall wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, William B. Norton wrote: I wish we had a metric for the community value of the nanog list... How about a survey of the mailing list members to see what they think? I'd suggest that this idea, while seemingly a simple answer, neglects the purp

Re: Polling the NANOG List

2007-02-20 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Ron Muir wrote: Simon J. Lyall wrote: How about a survey of the mailing list members to see what they think? Considering that this is a mailing list to supplement the NANOG meetings how about if we restrict the poll participants to people who have attended a NANOG in the last 12 months!