Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread Instrument Resources of America
P.s. Modern day "digital" clocks, at least the ones that derive their operating power from a wall outlet, such as the clock radio on your night stand for example, also use the mains power line frequency for their time base. Ira. On 6/2/2011 2:05 AM, MrNixie (UK) wrote: CORRECTION! TXCO stan

[neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Greg P
Wayne, Damn, you're lucky enough to have 3 of Jeff's NixiSat'sat least you got them when the price was right. I like the 9020AA's but don't have any, and I have a stash of B7971's that I have earmarked for one of Michael Barile and Carl Ott's MOD_SIX that I ordered. Glad to hear you want to

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread David Forbes
On 6/2/2011 1:27 PM, Wayne de Geere III wrote: Hello Mr Forbes! I've been considering a rubidium time standard to keep the scope clock I bought from you back in '03 or '04 disciplined. Do you know if there are any with 1PPS outputs built in so that no other glue electronics would be unnecessa

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread Wayne de Geere III
Hello Mr Forbes! I've been considering a rubidium time standard to keep the scope clock I bought from you back in '03 or '04 disciplined. Do you know if there are any with 1PPS outputs built in so that no other glue electronics would be unnecessary? On 2011 Jun 02, at 13:03 , David Forbes wrot

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread David Forbes
On 6/2/2011 12:26 PM, Robert Sexton wrote: 3. Find some other time source that you can decode to get the time (NMEA from a GPS, WWVB, NTP, etc). You can also use the 1 pulse-per-second (PPS) output from a GPS unit, but don't bother setting the time with the NMEA string. This takes a lot less

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread Instrument Resources of America
Must not have seen your earlier piece. Ira On 6/2/2011 10:39 AM, MrNixie (UK) wrote: Yes, "Ira" I do acknowledge that there is also long term frequency drift, too (I think I mentioned that, in my earlier piece). But my own experience overall is that long-term drift is a smaller error and over a

[neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread Robert Sexton
Leaving aside the issue of how much accuracy you need, there are a few basic strategies - 1. Find a good clock source that can be used to supply the CPU clock (1s to 10s of MHz). 2. Feed a high quality 32768Hz clock to your micro and use that as the timebase. 3. Find some other time sou

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread jb-electronics
The CD47 has the proportions that might interest a woman, for other purposes Funny, I always thought men were the ones with complexes when it comes to sizes ;-) Touché ;-) Here's something interesting - why do you think the CD47's little sister, the GR-311, is so rare? Jens -- You recei

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Dan Harboe Burer
| You have F9020AAs ... ? Damn mortgage! | Will you take some slave labor? Or a kidney? | I am in love with these tubes ... I have no such | feeling towards CD47s. | Marcin I bid 2 kidneys ! There's a dialysis clinic just down the road. I have a single F9020AA in my hand right now. Unfortunate

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Nicholas Stock
Ouch. ;-) On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:59 AM, threeneurons wrote: > | You have F9020AAs ... ? Damn mortgage! > | Will you take some slave labor? Or a kidney? > | I am in love with these tubes ... I have no such > | feeling towards CD47s. > | Marcin > > I bid 2 kidneys ! There's a dialysis clinic j

[neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread threeneurons
| You have F9020AAs ... ? Damn mortgage! | Will you take some slave labor? Or a kidney? | I am in love with these tubes ... I have no such | feeling towards CD47s. |   Marcin I bid 2 kidneys ! There's a dialysis clinic just down the road. I have a single F9020AA in my hand right now. Unfortunatel

[neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread marcin
You have F9020AAs and you are thinking about selling? Damn mortgage! Will you take some slave labor? Or a kidney? I am in love with these tubes since I've seen them for the first time on Jens' web site. Interestingly I have no such feeling towards CD47s. Marcin On Jun 2, 4:16 pm, "Ulysses J. Bal

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Appropriate duty cycle for IN-12s and similar Nixies?

2011-06-02 Thread Adam Jacobs
If driven 1:6, you will notice a definite flicker if you squint and look at the tubes sideways. :) It's nothing irritating to me, but some people may find it so. Also, I share the trait that Mike Moorrees occasionally mentions in his posts on this topic: I don't have superhuman hearing.. or eve

[neonixie-l] Re: Appropriate duty cycle for IN-12s and similar Nixies?

2011-06-02 Thread MrNixie (UK)
Robert, I forecast a lively discussion, here! Many people will have their own views. David Forbes' comment about life expectancy being a function of the CUBE of the current is new to me, but I have no reason to doubt it. I get the "feel" that driving the tube 1:6 is just too much, but that 1:3 or

[neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread MrNixie (UK)
Yes, "Ira" I do acknowledge that there is also long term frequency drift, too (I think I mentioned that, in my earlier piece). But my own experience overall is that long-term drift is a smaller error and over a longer time frame than absolute frequency or temperature effects. Maybe anyone who "nee

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread Instrument Resources of America
MrNixie, Also keep in mind that regardless of temperature compensation, etc. etc. a crystal and therefore crystal oscillators exhibit a frequency change with AGE. This is why all crystal oscillators, no matter how good, how well compensated for temperature and other factors, will always ha

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-17

2011-06-02 Thread Michail1
Guess I am fortunate to have the Pete Hand FLW (both B7971 and IV17). I only purchased 50 of the IV-17's. Unfortunately, I paid top dollar. :( But, now seeing none, maybe it wasn't a bad buy after all - Just not going to let my wife know. Michail In a message dated 6/2/2011 8:11:27

[neonixie-l] Re: IV-17

2011-06-02 Thread GastonP
The situation has been this way for several months. Probably it is one of the usual tides and ebbs of the market, and I hope it reverts soon. I have only 10 IV-4s that are my only hope to make my very own FLW. B-7971 are way out of my targeting range... FWIW, the market is now overflowing with rus

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Ulysses J. Balis
I'd be happy to post some photos. I'm swamped until Saturday evening, but your wait will be well-rewarded... :-)...c -ub -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jb-electronics Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:25 AM To: neon

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread jb-electronics
Hi, I would not bother with the starting price. List a set of four at $USD 1 starting price and they will go for at least one thousand. But you made the mistake to tell us you had more of these so our neonixie people might be reasonable ;-) Would you mind posting a picture of one of these o

RE: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Ulysses J. Balis
Briefly, - I acquired a significant number of these at the estate sale of a ham operator who was apparently quite the collector of nixies. Fortunately, most people see nixies as being "old dusty tubes" and simply move on. So I was able to pick up the lot of his nixie (and numitron!!! and ultron

[neonixie-l] Re: beautiful nixies (was: CD47 - new price record?)

2011-06-02 Thread watacchi
I am interested in the discovery information of F9020AA too. Small nixie tubes are great if you design the clock nice & smart. Here is a guy who sells small nixie clock, but his clock goes over $900. It is sure that His clock feature is amazing. http://picasaweb.google.com/YunaDigick I have some

Re: [neonixie-l] beautiful nixies

2011-06-02 Thread jb-electronics
Hi, I'd love to acquire some of the also-lovely CD66 nixies with the fine mesh anode, but so far I haven't been able to find any. John, you might want to look for the Siemens ZM1242 as well, it is very similar to the CD66. Jens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: [neonixie-l] beautiful nixies (was: CD47 - new price record?)

2011-06-02 Thread John Rehwinkel
> I might be in the minority here, but I still think the Z568M Z5680M's > are by far the most attractive and properly proportioned Nixie I've > ever seen. I'm quite fond of them (I sold off a couple when they get pricey, but kept some because I like 'em). I'd love to acquire some of the also-lov

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Wayne de Geere III
I'm definitely one of those folks nutty for the Thompson F9020AA so please send your source my way, I want several clocks using that tube, I'm like Noah's Ark, I curate at least two pieces each of the clocks I love. On 2011 Jun 02, at 02:46 , Dieter Waechter wrote: >> Out curiosity, do you thi

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Dieter Waechter
Out curiosity, do you think that this zeal to purchase rare tubes extends to the similarly-rare F9020AA? We may see a bunch of them becoming available on ebay soon, owing to the recent discovery of a large lot at an estate sale. I don't know - but the tastes differ! I - for example - don't l

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Dieter Waechter
Yeah! that's right. But if 1000 CD47 would be on the market, I would buy them in one lot. ;-) ... and then you'd have twice as many as you do now, right? ;-) A.J. No, I wouldn't -unfortunately ;-( All sources I knew are sold out now. But at the moment I concentrate on small nixies. I have found

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread jb-electronics
Hi folks, I also do not like the digits of the CD47 so much. They are somewhat special, of course, but personally I like the digits of the British GR10-series best, i.e. GR10G, GR10J and GR10J/F. It is a shame they were only made with 3cm digit height. Then again, the F9020(AA) has quite nic

[neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread MrNixie (UK)
CORRECTION! TXCO stands for Temperature COMPENSATED Crystal Oscillator - NOT Temperature CONTROLLED one. The chip uses no power to control the temperature, it merely compensates the crystal capacitors to ALLOW for it. Must read own notes before hitting "send" - sorry. On Jun 2, 10:01 am, "MrNixie

[neonixie-l] Re: Keeping your clock accurate

2011-06-02 Thread MrNixie (UK)
See how active this thread is, and how many options you have! My two cents (sorry - pence) Longer term (days, weeks), a mains referenced clock will be your best bet - your utility suppliers see to that in the longer term, for the benefit of the many MILLIONS of legacy mechancial devices that u

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: CD47 - new price record?

2011-06-02 Thread Wayne de Geere III
I'm a big fan of Jeff's clocks. Back in December 2003 I paused and wondered if $1200 was too much to spend on a clock. At the time Jeff was also selling spare Z568M tubes to purchasers of his clocks for $35 each. My first from him was a cylindrical Nixisat. At that time he had already sold 8 of