Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-16 Thread Adrian Godwin
That's very encouraging - if it can go far enough to sync it's probably usable. By all means try adding some capacitance to the timing caps. Just turn it off quickly if it refuses to oscillate - it might be warming up the line driver transistor. You shouldn't need to adjust the vertical stuff at

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-15 Thread jb-electronics
Hi all, I got it working... somewhat! I hooked the Raspberry Pi's NTSC composite up to the LM1881 sync separator, and after fiddling with the horizontal hold it snapped into place. A few problems: * As mentioned before, the screen coverage is a bit poor (lots of space to the left and

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-14 Thread Toby Thain
On 2021-04-14 10:02 a.m., Adrian Godwin wrote: > No, they often have a Z modulation input and many have a TV sync, so > you'd only need to add a vertical scan. But tube depth is a problem. > Green isn't, though ! > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:44 PM jb-electronics >

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-14 Thread Adrian Godwin
No, they often have a Z modulation input and many have a TV sync, so you'd only need to add a vertical scan. But tube depth is a problem. Green isn't, though ! On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:44 PM jb-electronics wrote: > It's a good idea, but these scope tubes are too deep and don't have a >

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-14 Thread jb-electronics
It's a good idea, but these scope tubes are too deep and don't have a composite input usually (but x/y deflection setup). I am trying to build a luggable computer (think Osborne I). Jens On 2021-04-13 9:05 p.m., Adrian Godwin wrote: Could you use an old 'scope ? Or would it be too big ? On

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-13 Thread Adrian Godwin
Could you use an old 'scope ? Or would it be too big ? On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:57 PM jb-electronics wrote: > Hey all, > > I am looking for a 5"-6" monochrome CRT, preferable green or amber, with > composite video input. If anybody has one for sale, please let me know! > > Best wishes > Jens

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-13 Thread Mac Doktor
> On Apr 13, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Robert G. Schaffrath > wrote: > > Big problem these days is where to get an NTSC video source. The only things > I currently have left are an old 8mm camcorder and a digital to NTSC > converter box that were common when the US went all digital. FYI: if you

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-13 Thread jb-electronics
Hey all, I am looking for a 5"-6" monochrome CRT, preferable green or amber, with composite video input. If anybody has one for sale, please let me know! Best wishes Jens On 2021-04-13 8:41 a.m., 'John Rehwinkel' via neonixie-l wrote: I'm not saying don't try it - it would be very

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-13 Thread gregebert
VCRs and older game consoles (like the original XBOX) will provide NTSC via their AV output. Some of the newer TVs dont even have composite video jacks, so the standard is rapidly dying. Too bad, because studio-quality NTSC is actually very crisp; it's the transmission medium and receivers

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-13 Thread Robert G. Schaffrath
Back in the 1990's I purchased new surplus CRT based viewfinder module designed for a camcorder from a surplus electronics vendor. Was rather inexpensive. It has a tiny 1" B CRT and takes composite NTSC video. The only issue with it was the image was mirrored due to it being designed to be

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-13 Thread 'John Rehwinkel' via neonixie-l
> I'm not saying don't try it - it would be very educational, though best if > you can get hold of a schematic. But a lot easier to get hold of an NTSC > monitor, I think. The people who maintain arcade machines have been scraping > up all the large colour monitors recently but I doubt they'd

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-12 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 2021-04-12 8:59 a.m., Adrian Godwin wrote: To complete the trio : SECAM is Something Essentialy Contrary to the American Method, and PAL is Perfection At Last. I recall hearing it as "Pay (for) Additional Luxury". the early sets would have needed extra circuitry to decode the alternating

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-12 Thread Adrian Godwin
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:34 PM Robert G. Schaffrath < robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote: > locking on). NTSC (Never Twice the Same Color) was a bit of an issue with > needing Color and Hue controls that adjusted the TV's > To complete the trio : SECAM is Something Essential Contrary to the

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-12 Thread Robert G. Schaffrath
Yes the work done to get color into the 3.58MHz (well something like 3.579545MHz) was incredible. The math involved in transmitting the RGB info is truly amazing. And it was all decoded through analog circuitry! No digital processing involved. Quite a feat for its day. In fact, NTSC TV's were

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-11 Thread Adrian Godwin
The line oscillator has to run close to the line frequency and is then phase-locked to it by the horizontal hold mechanism. If the oscillator is tuned for 19kHz it's a big stretch to get it to sync to a 15kHz input signal. Yes, you might be able to modify some components to slow it down, or even

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-11 Thread jb-electronics
Oh, yes, the entire discussion is about monochrome video. Sorry, should have mentioned it in the follow up email as well. On 2021-04-11 9:26 p.m., gregebert wrote: At least it's just monochrome. NTSC composite video with color is rather complex, though I must say it is also ingenious in that

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-11 Thread jb-electronics
Still new to the whole composite video thing---could you clarify what is the stretch? Do you think the driving electronics might not work at the lower NTSC frequency? Or is there a mechanical impediment, like the windings of the CRT's yoke? Thank you! Jens On 2021-04-11 7:19 p.m., Adrian

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-11 Thread gregebert
At least it's just monochrome. NTSC composite video with color is rather complex, though I must say it is also ingenious in that it is backward-compatible to monochrome and packs so much video information into a 3.58Mhz bandwidth. Similar for PAL, though higher bandwidth. On Sunday, April 11,

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-11 Thread Adrian Godwin
It sounds a bit of a stretch - 15kHz to 19kHz. You could try running the monitor without an input signal and adjusting horizontal frequency (if there is one) to see what range it can manage. Another possibility is to fix it in software by creating a custom monitor signal. Some information is at

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-11 Thread jb-electronics
Thank  you! I think it should be possible to modify the horizontal and vertical deflection circuitry on the board to make it a proper NTSC frequency, yes? Jens On 2021-04-10 10:52 p.m., 5-ht wrote: Jens, The horizontal sync requirement of this monitor (52 uS / 19.2Khz) is somewhat higher

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-10 Thread 5-ht
Jens, The horizontal sync requirement of this monitor (52 uS / 19.2Khz) is somewhat higher than a standard NTSC signal which is about 63 uS / 15.7 Khz. Mark On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 8:04:15 AM UTC-5 Jens Boos wrote: > Thank you! I did some more digging and found the service manual for

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-10 Thread chuckrr
Sent: 4/10/2021 3:59:19 PM To: "NeoNixie" Subject: X-IMail-SPAM-Connection Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?   I built a couple LED TV sets about ten years ago. I had to solve this problem. I bought a sync separator ch

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-10 Thread David Forbes
I built a couple LED TV sets about ten years ago. I had to solve this problem. I bought a sync separator chip for the first one, and a digitizer chip for the other. See the bottom of the page for schematics. http://www.cathodecorner.com/satanvision/ On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 6:04 AM jb-electronics

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-10 Thread jb-electronics
Thank you! I did some more diggin and found the service manual for the display (Panasonic TR-60S1A, see here: https://www.opweb.de/english/company/Panasonic/TR-60S1A) There is is a timing chart (see below). It looks an awful lot alike NTSC to me, can somebody confirm? Best wishes Jens

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-10 Thread jb-electronics
Thank you! I did some more digging and found the service manual for the display (Panasonic TR-60S1A, see here: https://www.opweb.de/english/company/Panasonic/TR-60S1A) There is is a timing chart (see below). It looks an awful lot alike NTSC to me, can somebody confirm? Best wishes Jens

Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-09 Thread Adrian Godwin
It's easy enough to extract the sync signals, as you've seen. It may not be particularly difficult to modify the TTL input to analog, or to create a TTL level signal if you don't need a grey-scale. On many general-purpose monitors like that they could often be built for either standard - the

[neonixie-l] OT: How to convert composite video into TTL?

2021-04-09 Thread jb-electronics
Hi all, This is a bit of an off-topic question, but I hope there will be somebody here that can help. I have bought a new-old stock monochrome CRT for a HP Agilent 8920A, basically this unit here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/273930914548 . It looks to me that it is just a rebranded OmniVision