Some interesting net behaviour...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28439551
Bob
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'Spruiking' is a new one on me. What does "spruiking the hell out of it" mean?
Bob
From: mez breeze
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2014, 0:27
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Artists virtually gatecrash Googl
Edward,
A difficult subject to tackle. You've found a simple, sensitive and effective
way of communicating it. Dementia is a growing problem of our aging population
and your piece contributes to a better understanding. I found it moving and
compassionate.
Bob
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Hi Dave,
Edward Picot's The Hyperliterature Exchange at hyperex.co.uk is worth checking
out.
Bob
From: dave miller
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2014, 10:14
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] electronic poetry
thanks these are great mez
On 01/04/11 18:05, Rob Myers wrote:
>what is actually happening is that an artist is being told to
>destroy their work by a judge who doesn't understand copyright.
And you do?
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On 01/04/11 21:46, Rob Myers wrote:
>Documentary photography is simple uncompensated "theft" of an image, and
>yet in this case we are being asked to privilege that over the creation
>of a unique original artwork.
So the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank, Bill Brandt,
D
On 02/04/11 0:27, Rob Myers wrote:
>Yes.
"Yes"?... that the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank,
Bill
Brandt, Diane Arbus, W. Eugene Smith, Josef Koudelka, Inge Morath, Raghu Rai,
August Sander, Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Walker Evans, Eve
Arnold,
Ernest Col
On 02/04/11 14:01, Rob Myers wrote:
>(Documentary photography) is also, as any judge can see, simply a mechanical
>reproduction of other people's property to the extent that it
>competently reproduces a recognizable image of it.
So there!... Diane Arbus, Bill Brandt, August Sander, Josef Koudel
Andreas Maria Jacobs wrote Mon, 16 May, 2011 22:34:51
>This godforsaken world needs a new god, a fitt and strong one this
>time not the old man we had before, but someone who is capable to
>clean the mess we're in, cozz we ain't gonna make it on our own
>anymore, at least not me
Andreas,
I
Michael,
It's a beautiful, haunting piece. The dramatic setting and the plaintive music
communicates movingly the inner emotions of the tiny human figure in the
frame... solitude, yearning and resilience are all mixed up in there.
Since the piece is essentially two shots have you considered st
it is..
Enough! Thanks!
m.
--- On Mon, 6/6/11, bob catchpole wrote:
>From: bob catchpole
>Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dream
>To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
>
>Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 9:00 PM
>
>
>
>
>Michael,
>
>It
Ana,
I'm no fan of Facebook - the contrary - but the link you posted does not seem
to confirm what you said.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5glrdg_c6lwx69-q_kxRP4tTyOq9Q
You said "Facebook provided Israel with lists of American and European
Palestine
activists." The articl
Simon,
Thank you for such a clear exposition!
Bob
From: Simon Biggs
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Fri, 22 July, 2011 11:03:56
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] should we not react about what happened Aaron
Swartz?
The journals are
Kim,
GIF US A BREAK!
Bob
>
>From: kim asendorf
>To: netbehaviour
>Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2011, 1:04
>Subject: [NetBehaviour] GIF MARKET
>
>
>GIF MARKET
>
>
>Seeing digital art as a collector's item is still pretty new. Especially image
>files are only seen
Joel Weishaus wrote:
Humans have always been saved by nature, not the other way around.
You're right Joel, but not in the way you suggest. Humans have always been part
of nature. We're one of nature's wonderful creations. Why would nature imbue
humans with imagination and the capacity to learn
only the disaster."
>
>On the bright side, Dark Times are when artists are most needed.,
gifted people who have "Cezanne's anxiety."
>
>Best,
>Joel
>
>
>- Original Message -
>>From: bob catchpole
>>To: Joel Weishaus ; N
Hello NBs in the UK,
Re Thatcher, please consider signingthis official petition, which has a real
sense of logic and justice about it.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914
Bob
>
> From: dave miller
>To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creat
Michael,
It's good! Ok? Good.
Bob
>
> From: Michael Szpakowski
>To: netbehaviour
>Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012, 12:18
>Subject: [NetBehaviour] video too
>
>
>I made a video too:
>
>
>http://youtu.be/vLSu5EMykqI
>
>
>cheers
>michael
>
>
>
>_
Michael,
I disagree withJohn Baldessari. Painting and photography are radically
different picture-making processes - one is based on synthesis and the other on
selection. In a painting or drawing you start with nothing and have to add. In
photography you start with everything and have to extrac
http://jacksonpollock.org/
Bob
>
> From: Rob Myers
>To: netBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>
>Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 18:30
>Subject: [NetBehaviour] Learn To Draw
>
>Are there any sites or projects for learning to draw like the learnin
James,
Calling yourself an 'artist' doesn't make you one. There are many such artists
in the world. Ironically there are those without that self-description who
don't realise that they are.
Bob
>
> From: James Morris
>To: NetBehaviour for networked distribut
Pall Thayer wrote Tuesday, 6 March 2012:
"Until we can get the general public to acknowledge and engage with
work at the code level, then yes... I would say that "glitch art" will
be confined to those in the know."
Pall,
Joe public has little idea how films or cars or tv sets are put together b
Pall Thayer wrote Tuesday, 6 March 2012:
"Until we can get the general public to acknowledge and engage with
work at the code level, then yes... I would say that "glitch art" will
be confined to those in the know."
Pall,
Joe public has little idea how films or cars or tv sets are put together b
Michael,
Are you suggesting that there's no connection between ethics and aesthetics in
the work artists produce?
Bob
>
> From: Michael Szpakowski
>To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>
>Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2012, 13:57
>Subject: Re:
d in the last two decades has
been visually 'fascistic'.
Bob
>____
> From: Michael Szpakowski
>To: bob catchpole
>Cc: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>
>Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012, 18:09
>Subject: Re: [N
27;s
>political views, ehtical standards or personal conduct and the artistic
>success or failure of her work...
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Michael Szpakowski
>To: bob catchpole ; NetBehaviour for networked
>distributed creativity
>Sen
Marc,
I found your interview with Katrina Sluis disturbing, disappointing and
massively contradictory. It seems she's very concerned to emphasise her
'inclusive' position yet uses highly exclusive language to express this. Why?
Why communicate in a pretentious way that leaves the vast majority
Marc,
Thanks for responding in such a positive way. Katrina is clearly very
knowledgeable. I look forward to understanding her!
Interviews are often accessible because they're more in the nature of a
conversation. The interview you've done would probably be excellent in an
academic journal. B
Michael,
Thanks for your comments.
I hope my intervention empowers Marc to represent people like me when
interviewing specialists, and to liberate the specialists by asking them to
communicate 'informally' - something they may not often have a chance to
do.Win-win?
Bob
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everyday wonder of life I've come across.
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, bob catchpole wrote:
> From: bob catchpole
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."
> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
>
>
Hi Marc,
I think "education" is what you find on a list like this. It's messy,
completely unplanned and often happens in unexpected ways. We're here because
we're learning from each other.
In the process, each person's contribution is crucial, hence the need to be
"tolerant" - especially of th
UK opposes copyright exemptions for mash-ups...
http://www.out-law.com//default.aspx?page=9838
Bob
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Marc,
Thanks for your offering the other day!
Check this out... http://thru-you.com/ inspired stuff...
Bob
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Interesting... vanish from the internet and you become a missing person?
Bob
From: Brian Droitcour
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Sent: Friday, 13 March, 2009 18:23:08
Subject: [NetBehaviour] Missing persons
Hi,
I'm the curatorial fellow at Rhizome and I'
Edward,
The 22-page manifesto can be summed up in two sentences "Our civilisation is
fucked! What are we gonna do?" A declaration and a challenge.
You say your problem isn't really with the former. Given it's momentous
implications your response - a complaint about literary style - is pure
tr
Michael,
I believe your posting can be read as an important 'story'... a passionately
expressed piece of writing about the incredible dilemna we're in...
Bob
Michael Szpakowski wrote Wednesday, 28 October, 2009 13:41:46
I live for art but if I *am* in a boa
There are all kinds of ways to approach this. For example, one of the consumer
society's most pernicious myths is that 'you are what you consume'. The project
of art seems to oppose this, declaring 'you are what you produce'.
Artists have little trouble recognising the emptiness of the myth - an
Marc,
It takes talent to recognise talent... could be why it's taken a long time!...
Bob
marc garrett wrote 16 November, 2009 11:22:43
Shockingly, this is our first award ever. This may be because we never enter
competitions, hoping that the spirit of what
TIME IS LOVE
Bob
manik wrote Wed, 18 November, 2009 22:38:31
TIME IS MONEY...
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Or could it be that the echo of the language flows across the space of the
absence to the ghost of the disembodied matter of it's own arse?
Bob
Curt Cloninger wrote Fri, 11 December, 2009 23:19:45
Bakhtin might disagree -- matter flows into language and lang
Edward,
Often it seems the real point of these 'opinion' pieces is to provoke responses
and generate 'traffic'. The more debatable the better. You can't lose. The
Guardian art critic equates digital photography with online photo-sharing.
Nonsense, of course. Images don't have to be uploaded to
Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> It strikes me there's a kind of grace here which is available to artists and
> not to philosophers. Ultimately
all philosophy is a call to action or at least a framework for it. Art, on the
contrary, enables even the
personally wicked or the politically vile the red
Michael,
For me, the key insight of your first posting was the observation that powerful
life affirming works of art have been created by artists whose convictions were
plainly less than affirmative, and sometimes downright nasty. That in those
cases, their achievement and talent transcended th
"c...@lab404.com" wrote Saturday, 30 March 2013:
>Here is a short thing I wrote on lying:
http://www.terminalapsu.org/2013/03/30/on-lying/
Curt,
You're in very good company...
Art is a lie that makes us realize truth, at least the truth that is given us
to understand. The artist must know
The Sound of Pots and Pans, Istanbul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-kbuS-anD4
Bob
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Marc,
Nice colour... but 'Neoliberalism' is an ugly label. Whoever invented it hasn't
done anyone a favour. In oppositional culture and politics labels make all the
difference. The 'Greens' get it, the 'Anarcho-syndicalists' don't. Critiquing
Neoliberalism "ain't gonna make it with anyone anyho
Marc,
What might help is a better alternative. How about changing the slogan to
"SUCKISM: It's Neoliberal!!" ?
[SUCKISM - an economic system that's Stupid, Unsustainable, Corrupt and Kills].
Bob
From: marc garrett
To: NetBehaviour for networked distribut
Didn't Hank Williams summed it all up?... I'll Never Get Out Of This World
Alive, and what about Bob Dylan's timely reminder?... Death Is Not The End
From: Alan Sondheim
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Sent: Monday, 4 November 2013, 6:09
Subject: [NetBehav
Would it be more accurate to say the artist is hyping...?
Bob
From: Randall Packer
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016, 16:18
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The artist is typing | online exhibition at
Storage Un.it | September 1 - 30,
alan,
we are talking bullshit... silence is golden... we should give it a rest...
bob
- Original Message
From: Alan Sondheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Sent: Sunday, 14 October, 2007 6:52:37 AM
Subject: [NetBehaviour] the avatartist
the avatartist
the a
Hi Renee,
I'm all for sharing ideas, insights, inspirations... I was objecting to willful
obfuscation... What ideas are are evolving here?...
"the avatartist are all space, all time, visible, invisible,
transparent,
translucent, of here and there opaque, they murmur we are all
avatartist,
are
with the content but I do agree with the context :-)
karen
On 10/16/07, bob catchpole <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Renee,
I'm all for sharing ideas, insights, inspirations... I was objecting to willful
obfuscation... What ideas are are evolving here?...
"the avatartist ar
to be understood against that
background) & *then* made a reasoned case for why it's
somehow unworthy then I might have disagreed but you'd
have fulfilled your responsibilites as an commentator
& we'd have a starting point for a genuine discussion.
michael
--- bob catchp
Hi Renee,
Humble apologies!... as soon as I pressed the send button I realized I
shouldn't have included your name!... in doing so I misrepresented your
comments, but accidently... I fully appreciate your comment to Alan was
affirmative feedback... and concur with your thoughts on the role of
Hi Karen,
I'm actually interested in new ideas, creativity I agree with you that a
discussion simply to insist on one's position isn't very creative...
If I may paraphrase the previous comments of Renee, Michael and yourself: "How
dare you criticize someone as brilliant and prolific as Ala
This is why the AMERICAN system is so fucked up!...
IN THEORY IT'S TRUE "If somebody swipes it, or uses it without your permission,
you have the law on your side to chase them down and get paid."
BUT IN PRACTICE "Not if you haven't registered the copyright."
Farcical? Hypocritical?... In Ameri
TED]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2008 7:01:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
Hi everybody
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM, bob catchpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is why the AMERICAN system is so fucked up!...
>
&g
tributed creativity
Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 2:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
bob catchpole wrote:
> The Mickey Mouse Bill (aka Orphan Works Bill) is an open invitation to
> infringe on a scale undreamed of hithertoo...
The Mickey Mouse act was the Sonny
tributed creativity
Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 2:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
bob catchpole wrote:
> The Mickey Mouse Bill (aka Orphan Works Bill) is an open invitation to
> infringe on a scale undreamed of hithertoo...
The Mickey Mouse act was the Sonny
tributed creativity
Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 2:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
bob catchpole wrote:
> The Mickey Mouse Bill (aka Orphan Works Bill) is an open invitation to
> infringe on a scale undreamed of hithertoo...
The Mickey Mouse act was the Sonny
Nowhere else
do they need to register the fact.
Bob
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From: Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 9:06:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
bob catchpole wrote:
>
for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Sunday, 18 May, 2008 3:02:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
bob catchpole wrote:
> Rob Myers wrote:
>
> > Registration only affects damages where copyright is infringed.
>
> So if someone uses your work without p
creativity
Sent: Sunday, 18 May, 2008 6:45:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill
*Why defend the indefensible?*
I think a lot of us here lean towards the view that it's copyright tout court
that's indefensible.
michael
--- On Sun, 5/18/08, bob catchpole <[
ably just a statement of fact as far as this list
is concerned; I could be wrong. I'm aware it's not a mainstream view.
I don't know what pond divides Norfolk from Cambridgeshire & Essex. Bit more
thinking & investigating before talking perhaps Bob :)
m.
--- On Sun, 5/1
g to be fruitful... in the end, as
ever, you will end up with the system you deserve...
Bob
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Sent: Tuesday, 20 May, 2008 2:00:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mou
Dear All,
Lawrence Lessig, a proponent of the copyleft movement and one of the founders
of the "creative commons" movement of sharing your intellectual property, says
the proposed Orphan Works bills currently in Congress "is both unfair and
unwise."
Full New York Times article at:
http://www
- Original Message
From: dave miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 9:20:21 AM
> Why copyright pictures, text, video?
Copyright is automatic and universal. If the creator wishes the right can be
withdrawn.
Bob
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From: dave miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 6:47:59 PM
> I think my issue is with copyright and I misunderstood at first
> thinking Markus was copyrighting the idea.
Dave, you seem to misunderstand the nature of copyright. Ideas cannot be
Pall,
What's happens when you run exist.pl?
I don't know anything about programming, but the recent exchange of ideas
around your code has been the highlight for me since joining the list. Best has
been the palpable shared sense of excitement in exploring a perceived 'state of
being' and tryin
Thanks Pall. I haven't found the courage to run it because your description
sounds a bit like a virus that I may never be able to get rid of!!...
- Original Message
From: Pall Thayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 9:06:01 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments
gone. And even if you delete it while it's running, it recreates itself and
then stops running. Its not volatile in any way at all and it's incapable of
running itself. To run, it needs to be started by a user with the correct
command.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM, bob catchp
Hi Marc,
"We are here on Earth to do good to others. What the others are here for, I
don't know."
W. H. Auden
Please add my name to the list...
Thanks, Bob
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Sent:
>From that stance Fair Use = Fair Abuse. Thing is, most people don't regard
>abuse as acceptable... are they wrong?
Bob
- Original Message
From: Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, 11 October, 2008 14:57:31
This cannot be an issue for freedom of speech.
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From: Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, 11 October, 2008 17:54:00
> Thing is, most people don't regard abuse as acceptable... are they wrong?
They are answering the wrong question.
Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy?
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008 15:16:18
Hi all
I'm wondering if, because of property values collapsing, is a Banksy wall work
(number 63!) worth less now?
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Art forms have their technical aspects. Artists are forever learning, playing,
working and experimenting with the technology at their disposal. Tools for the
job. Means and ends. Artists are largely focused on the latter; the ability to
use the tools is presumed.
However when it comes to digita
Art forms have their technical aspects. Artists are forever learning, playing,
working and experimenting with the technology at their disposal. Tools for the
job. Means and ends. Artists are largely focused on the latter; the ability to
use the tools is presumed.
However when it comes to digita
Some years ago, as part of a medical project to spot newborn babies that might
be deaf, recordings were made of the sound of a womb and played back to the
babies on tiny headphones. Those without hearing problems responded to the
recording with unmistakable recognition. As I recall, the medical
Marc,
Facing the cosmos, human understanding remains puny, no? Why would a womb and a
star have sonic similarities? What is being recorded anyway? Maybe one distant
day there will be an answer?...
Bob
From: marc garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2
me manner simply because our
capacity to represent these things is so limited.
Regards
Simon
On 29/10/08 17:22, "bob catchpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Marc,
Facing the cosmos, human understanding remains puny, no? Why would a womb and a
star have sonic similarities? What is
Marc,
I did enjoy!... What other ways do you distribute it?
Bob
From: marc garrett Saturday, 8 November, 2008 3:38:33
My Stuff...
A selection of past songs/sounds that I have created - enjoy...
marc
Valentines Day.
http://www.furtherfield.org/otmonkeys/mus
That's the most honest comment so far... and gets right to the heart of the
conundrum.
Bob
From: Pall Thayer Tuesday, 18 November, 2008 15:42:19
> sometimes it would be nice to get something back.
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Yann,
The other day someone posted on this list about a project that was a "research
platform... on the potential of translocally networked spatial practices." The
project, it was claimed, investigates "urban network processes, spaces of
geocultural crises, and forms of cultural participation a
No Yann, I'm not as good looking as that Bob or the sculpture...
Bob
From: info Monday, 2 February, 2009 23:14:34
Thanks Bob,
are you
http://bobcatchpole.com/biography.php ?
bob catchpole a probablement écrit :
>
> Yann,
>
> The
rious as 2 by u're assuming that the text ur quoting is
muddy in terms of comprehension/meaning? do u think the terminology is
inappropriate or unclear?
chunks,
mez
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:33 AM, bob catchpole wrote:
> Yann,
>
> The other day someone posted on this list about a
oblem with that?
Regards
Simon
On 3/2/09 10:23, "bob catchpole" wrote:
Mez,
Does it mean something?
Bob
From: mez breeze
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 23:26:34
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?
hi bob [+ as
Richard,
Did you mean bob? Why shout?
Btw, thanks for your telling analogy on lifts yesterday... "you also create the
knock-on effect of making the able-bodied less fit and lazier by giving them an
effort-free mechanism of going upstairs. much better for the body - and mind -
to take the stair
Well put.
The call to boycott an individual - Jewish or not - only trivializes a social,
political and historical issue.
Bob
From: Michael Szpakowski
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Monday, 16 February, 2009 16:06:33
Subject: Re
I agree.
Artists I admire are seekers of truth, not given to ill-considered me-jerk
reactions...
Bob
From: Donna Kuhn
To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 17:33:39
Subject: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc
i feel that the tone of
Sorry to intrude guys, but for some time now the thread has sounded like
something out of Monty Python...
I
have to accept some responsibility, since I introduced the idea of
artists as truth-seekers. Simon responded 'which truth'? My truth had
been offered in the same short posting, that the pro
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