Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-13 Thread Alan Sondheim
Hi Curt, For decon - in a way there's no way out because there's no out out - it's useful to me the way Nagarjuna, say, is useful to me, as a way of looking at the world. The punching metaphor is odd, more D/G I think than Derrida whose work expressed care just about everywhere. I can't place

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-13 Thread Curt Cloninger
Hi Alan, D/G are admittedly asserting an ontological cosmology -- "A Thousand Plateaus" is a lot more structuralist than post-scructuralist, regardless of what some of its adopters have claimed. But I don't care because it has been pragmatically useful to me, which I infer is their point. Derr

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread Alan Sondheim
I agree about the enmeshing; the ontology is something different of course. Re: D/G - I've always found their work problematic, but that's neither here nor there. Certainly 'regime' though implies some sort of classification system, and these categories, as in Borges, seem heterogeneous. Also

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread Curt Cloninger
Hi Alan, My phrase below is obviously an oversimplification of Bakhtin's position. Along with J.L. Austin and Lakoff/Johnson, Bakhtin provides an alternative to the idea that language somehow stands outside of the world and re-presents it (or wholly constitutes it, or plays a game regardless o

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread Alan Sondheim
>>> >>> Bakhtin might disagree -- matter flows into language and >>> language >>> flows into matter (whatever matter and language may be). >>> Just want to say I don't agree with the assertion above, if it does (or doesn't) represent B's position. If you look at Soviet diamat philosophy, in

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread Curt Cloninger
>books on death are mine" > >Bob > > > >From: Michael Szpakowski >To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > >Sent: Sat, 12 December, 2009 15:24:22 >Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question." > >Hi Bob &

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread bob catchpole
__ From: Michael Szpakowski To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Sat, 12 December, 2009 15:24:22 Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question." Hi Bob I take it that's an expression of scepticism? I'd be sorry to hear that it

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread Michael Szpakowski
, posted images of a local agricultural fair to Rhizome. His work is some of the most grounded in the everyday wonder of life I've come across. --- On Sat, 12/12/09, bob catchpole wrote: > From: bob catchpole > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a questi

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread Rob Myers
On 12/12/09 12:27, bob catchpole wrote: > Or could it be that the echo of the language flows across the space of the > absence to the ghost of the disembodied matter of it's own arse? I'm going to mention gastromancy at this point in the debate. - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digit

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-12 Thread bob catchpole
Or could it be that the echo of the language flows across the space of the absence to the ghost of the disembodied matter of it's own arse? Bob Curt Cloninger wrote Fri, 11 December, 2009 23:19:45 Bakhtin might disagree -- matter flows into language and lang

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-11 Thread Curt Cloninger
Bakhtin might disagree -- matter flows into language and language flows into matter (whatever matter and language may be). The echo of a touch: http://lab404.com/misc/calling_over_time.mp3 http://www.lab404.com/ior/hand.gif Curt >And then, perhaps, it's evident that, given semantic substance,

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
And then, perhaps, it's evident that, given semantic substance, all languages are networks across ethers, across absence - all languages are ghosts calling ghosts. Thanks, Alan On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Curt Cloninger wrote: > Thanks Alan, > > I like the poetry that this is. It works as language

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
There's nothing inside either. - On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Rob Myers wrote: > On 11/12/09 08:54, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question. > > There is nothing outside the text of life... > > - Rob. > > == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://w

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-11 Thread Curt Cloninger
Thanks Alan, I like the poetry that this is. It works as language across a network of ether, ghost calling ghost. A disembodied myth of disembodied discourse. In real life/space/time I doubt the event would have been as poetic. In real life/space/time I would have rather asked Bakhtin an embod

Re: [NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-11 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/12/09 08:54, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question. There is nothing outside the text of life... - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.or

[NetBehaviour] "I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question."

2009-12-11 Thread Alan Sondheim
"I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question." I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question. It is question about death, not in particular his death. But a question concerned with the aporia of death, not necessarily his own. Such a question, which would have been possible several years ago, is no