Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-19 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Without relativism there would be no argument. With relativism there is no argument, because there is nothing to argue about. We can continue in our solipsistic bubbles regardless of the screams and shouts from outside, safe

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-19 Thread Simon Biggs
I would support a boycott of Israeli institutions and corporations where they do not explicitly reject their governments policies towards Palestinians and Palestine. Where individuals and organisations within Israel act to support Palestine then they deserve all our support. There are a diversity

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-19 Thread Rob Myers
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: I would hope you would see that many people (hopefully myself included) have a nuanced understanding of the situation in Israel and yet can still be furious about what the Israeli government does. Yes I agree with this. -

[NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-19 Thread Donna Kuhn
thank you, rob; i need not say another word because of yours Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:23:19 + From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc To: flawed...@yahoo.com, NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread bob catchpole
I agree. Artists I admire are seekers of truth, not given to ill-considered me-jerk reactions... Bob From: Donna Kuhn do...@onlinewebart.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 17:33:39 Subject: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc i

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Simon Biggs
My ill-considered knee-jerk reaction to this statement is to ask which truth? I seriously hope you are joking... On 18/2/09 13:29, bob catchpole bobcatchp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Artists I admire are seekers of truth, not given to ill-considered me-jerk reactions... Simon Biggs Research

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: My ill-considered knee-jerk reaction to this statement is to ask which truth? I seriously hope you are joking... I don't understand what you are saying here? - Rob. ___

[NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread mark cooley
I'll never understand why any criticism of Israel is automatically taken as racism by some. I have Jewish friends who don't like the apartheid happening in Palestine any more than I do. I don't see that the problems that you point out concerning racist attitudes around the world have anything

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Simon Biggs
I was a little surprised to encounter somebody who could state, with a straight face, that they appreciate those who seek truth. I therefore queried what they meant by truth. Truth is a highly contentious term. Many would agree that there is no single truth in respect of any particular issue,

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll never understand why any criticism of Israel is automatically taken as racism by some. I'll never understand why some racists think they can shut down debate by saying this. The project is not (simply) criticism of

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Rob Myers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Truth is a highly contentious term. Is this true? Perhaps I missed something? If there is no single truth in respect of any given issue then you cannot say that someone's claim that all artists are seekers after truth is

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Michael Szpakowski
: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 2:38 PM I'll never understand why any criticism of Israel is automatically taken as racism by some. I have Jewish friends who don't like the apartheid happening in Palestine any more than I do. I

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread mark cooley
thanks for your thoughts. i don't agree. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc To: flawed...@yahoo.com, NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Wednesday

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-18 Thread Simon Biggs
Without relativism there would be no argument. The inquisition was over long ago (I hope). I also think it is possible to be anti-Zionist and not racist. Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing, although some would have us believe they are. Mostly they are people lobbying the US government on

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

2009-02-17 Thread marc garrett
Hi Donna all, I must be getting more liberal or something, because I can see all points of view... marc i feel that the tone of this is coming awfully close to the old scapegoat re. a jew or jews control the govt, the media, the banks, the world etc. after reading an study yesterday that