Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-opstate-reqs-03.txt

2016-01-12 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 04:23:36PM -0500, Nadeau Thomas wrote: > > > It might be clearer to use SHOULD (or SHOULD NOT) instead of MAY or MAY > NOT. > In RFC 2119, MAY and SHOULD mean two very different things so you can't simply change MAY to SHOULD without likely going through another r

Re: [netmod] AD review: draft-ietf-netmod-opstate-reqs

2016-01-12 Thread Kent Watsen
[As a contributor] Hi Benoit, Thank you for your proactive AD review. Below are my responses to your comments. >- Editorial: I see many instances of (see term) or (see terms). >This doesn't add any value IMO. >If there are some chance for misinterpretation of those terms, >capitalize the te

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-opstate-reqs-03.txt

2016-01-12 Thread Nadeau Thomas
> On Jan 12, 2016:4:04 PM, at 4:04 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > [As a contributor] > > From Benoit: > > Yes, I've seen those RFCs. The IETF is not really consistent regarding RFC > 2119 and requirement documents. > So I wanted to put the issue on the table. No strong view on way or the other. >

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-opstate-reqs-03.txt

2016-01-12 Thread Kent Watsen
[As a contributor] From Benoit: Yes, I've seen those RFCs. The IETF is not really consistent regarding RFC 2119 and requirement documents. So I wanted to put the issue on the table. No strong view on way or the other. [Kent] thanks. Changing the MAY keywords the way you proposed is one soluti

[netmod] AD review: draft-ietf-netmod-opstate-reqs

2016-01-12 Thread Benoit Claise
Dear all, I know that this draft is not yet on my table, but in order to speed up the process, I read v3. - Editorial: I see many instances of (see term) or (see terms). This doesn't add any value IMO. If there are some chance for misinterpretation of those terms, capitalize the terms specifi

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Robert Wilton
On 12/01/2016 16:02, Gert Grammel wrote: On 2016-12-01 15:04, "Robert Wilton" wrote: On 12/01/2016 10:42, Gert Grammel wrote: On 2016-12-01 11:12, "netmod on behalf of Robert Wilton" wrote: On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote:

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Gert Grammel
On 2016-12-01 15:04, "Robert Wilton" wrote: > > >On 12/01/2016 10:42, Gert Grammel wrote: >> >> On 2016-12-01 11:12, "netmod on behalf of Robert Wilton" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>> On

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 16:38, Benoit Claise wrote: > > Lada, >>> On 08 Jan 2016, at 16:20, Robert Wilton wrote: >>> >>> Hi Lada, >>> >>> On 08/01/2016 12:30, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton writes: > Hi Lada, > > I think that requirement 1D is fairly key to what is

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Benoit Claise
Lada, On 08 Jan 2016, at 16:20, Robert Wilton wrote: Hi Lada, On 08/01/2016 12:30, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Robert Wilton writes: Hi Lada, I think that requirement 1D is fairly key to what is being asked for here to allow both the user and system to easily relate between what the operator d

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-opstate-reqs-03.txt

2016-01-12 Thread Benoit Claise
Hi Kent, [btw, speaking as a contributor] Hi Benoit, You use MUST, SHOULD, MAY, and you refer to RFC 2119. Fine. However, it might be beneficial to say something such as in RFC 7698 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMEND

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 14:29, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > > On 12/01/2016 10:41, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>> On 12 Jan 2016, at 11:12, Robert Wilton wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>> On

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Robert Wilton
On 12/01/2016 10:42, Gert Grammel wrote: On 2016-12-01 11:12, "netmod on behalf of Robert Wilton" wrote: On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Robert Wilton wrote: On 11/01/2016 14:27, Ladislav Lhotka

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Robert Wilton
On 12/01/2016 10:41, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 12 Jan 2016, at 11:12, Robert Wilton wrote: On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Robert Wilton wrote: On 11/01/2016 14:27, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 11

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Gert Grammel
On 2016-12-01 11:12, "netmod on behalf of Robert Wilton" wrote: > > >On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Martin Bjorklund writes: >> >>> Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > > On 11/01/2016 14:27, Ladislav Lhotka wrote:

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 11:12, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > > On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Martin Bjorklund writes: >> >>> Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > > On 11/01/2016 14:27, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>>

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Robert Wilton
On 12/01/2016 09:05, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Martin Bjorklund writes: Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Robert Wilton wrote: On 11/01/2016 14:27, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:11, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:54:36PM +0100, Mar

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Gert Grammel
Lada, Shortening the thread a bit, citing from your response: In fact, I think this intended-applied duality could be used for a sound definition of default contents: defaults would be present in applied but not in intended config. This would eliminate the need for with-defaults. That’s indeed

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Gert Grammel writes: >>-Original Message- >>From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ladislav Lhotka >>Sent: 11 January 2016 16:36 >>To: Robert Wilton >>Cc: netmod@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries >> >> >>> On 11 Jan 20

Re: [netmod] applied configuration and system-controlled entries

2016-01-12 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Martin Bjorklund writes: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >> > On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Robert Wilton wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 11/01/2016 14:27, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >>> On 11 Jan 2016, at 15:11, Juergen Schoenwaelder >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:54:36PM +0