Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Florian Cramer
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM, wrote: > Do they know that you really can't "control" anyone on Facebook and that > the *primary* "sales" activity that happens is NEGATIVE (i.e. people > telling each other what *not* to buy) -- you betcha. Yes; and the big four Internet corporations (Google, Am

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Rob Myers
On 05/08/2012 05:52 PM, Morlock Elloi wrote: The curiously absent question is why there should be "social media" in the first place, and 'media' in general. Lascaux. - Rob. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # coll

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Nick
Thanks for that Dmytri. I find the way Jake Appelbaum frames these issues very accessible and clarifying for my own thinking, and what you wrote here continued to do that for me. Jaromil, can you add to what you're writing here? I feel that I could learn a lot from you, but am missing enough co

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Newmedia
Dmytri: > Eliminating privilege is a political struggle, not a technical one. Ahah -- therein lies the conundrum. Are you sure that you can defend this, apparently controversial, "priority" scheme? Where does one's "politics" come from? In particular, what might *cause* an "anti-privile

Inclusive Social Media for Civic Engagement Evaluation Report, May 16 Webinar, New Knight Grant and Locals Online Community

2012-05-08 Thread Steven Clift
Greetings, I wanted to let you know we've published our 60 page evaluation report on inclusive online community engagement in lower income, highly diverse, high immigrant neighborhoods. The Inclusive Social Media pilot project was funded by the Ford Foundation. Read the executive summary and full

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Morlock Elloi
The curiously absent question is why there should be "social media" in the first place, and 'media' in general. Not why there is - it's like free cocain - but why it should exist. This is a political question. The justification (ethical, moral, political, philosophical) for the existence of lo

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Jaromil, nice to see the more friendly tone. If you read any arrogance in my writing it is certainly unintentional, as I freely admit that I am thoroughly dilettantish theorist and claim no credentials or authority whatever, likewise for any perceived "attacks," I make none. Pointing out i

Re: Why I say the things I say

2012-05-08 Thread Brian Holmes
Long live Thorstein Veblen! The shining light of radical sociology on the Left. On 05/08/2012 01:54 AM, Keith Hart wrote: I think the main difference between Brian and me is that he wants to engage personally with the politics of our moment in history and this comes across sometimes as being m

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Jaromil
dear Dmytri, On Tue, 08 May 2012, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: > > In the meantime, we have many clever and dedicated people > contributing to inventing alternative platforms, and these platforms > can be very important and worthwhile for the minority that will ever > use them, but we do not have the so

Recent Books I'm In and Why They're Good

2012-05-08 Thread Alan Sondheim
Recent Books I'm In and Why They're Good Ok, this is a bad way to begin reviews/announcements of some recent books that discuss my work (in the midst of others of course); I'm not sure how to do this modestly, or whether modesty would even be an issue. For me these books have been important

Re: Why I say the things I say

2012-05-08 Thread Keith Hart
Good point, Michael! Come back, Thorstein Veblen, all is forgiven. I am really just making a plea for the introduction of world history into this discussion. The fastest-growing economy in the world between 1890 and 1913 was Russia with an annual growth rate of about 10%, similar to China's today

Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12 I gave a talk with Jacob Applebaum at last week's Re:publica conference in Berlin. It seems it had fallen to us to break a little bad news. Here it is. - We are not progressing from a primitive era of centralized social media to an emerging era of decentral