Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Carsten Agger
On 05/11/2014 03:57 PM, Geert Lovink wrote: To me, it is somehow super clear that Facebook is evil. Not hard to understand. But Google? Why are tensions rising so high lately around them? Look at the tone of the Cory Doctorow blog post to Boing Boing… Don't get me wrong. But have they

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread mp
On 12/05/14 03:00, Brian Holmes wrote: Doctorow is a somewhat different story, no? He may get himself flown around the world to give talks, but he is not a full-fledged member of this newly dominant class - all the more so since he seems to identify himself at least partially with those on

nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Geert Co Just to add to the complexity of the picture, Google is a rather decentralized mess - every googler I meet works on his/her own separate pet project - so far unable as a whole to take a stand with its billion of users against govenrments and large corporations, or for that matter

nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread d.garcia
To me, it is somehow super clear that Facebook is evil. Not hard to understand. But Google? Why are tensions rising so high lately around them? Look at the tone of the Cory Doctorow blog post to Boing Boing? Don't get me wrong. But have they really gone down lately? In my humble view they are

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Orsan
It is very important to understand and critic the political economy of this emerging new, and possibility of the logic it bears for building counter class(lessness) strategies. Flos IoE(E meaning Every progressive-revolutionary agency) political organising can counter the clash of titans by

nettime releasing Jaro Mail :^) 2.0

2014-05-12 Thread Jaromil
dear nettimers, I'm posting this console software release here knowing that many people reading this list are old-school email aficionados (if not usenet or even more ancient stuff) hence this aptly named software might be of use for some. It is what I use myself for the task since several years

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Hans de Zwart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hey Geert, The tension between the Bay area elites is less interesting than the grassroots unrest from the 'data-havenots' who are slowly starting to feel uncomfortable with the level of governance/jurisdiction that Google is having in their lives:

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Jeremie Zimmermann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh yeah... It's probably just a persons problem.. probably related to ego and such... What could be wrong with the not-do-evil Google? - - the fact that they bent to entertainment industry and were the first to accept privatized, automated

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Brian, nettime, Brian, you have said this so succinctly...the Bay Area as epicenter of this technologicalized spread of an apparently securely spreading monoculture, the globalization of management and work in which a giant like Google or Twitter or Facebook defines what that is and how much it

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread Florian Cramer
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Hans de Zwart hans.dezw...@bof.nl wrote: Just look at the graph displaying Google's DC lobbying investment and you will instantly realise that Google is not the same Google that it was a decade ago. To chime in here: If Facebook qualifies as scary, then Google

Re: nettime tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread KMV
There is also tension within Google, that is interesting to observe. I have a friend working in Google.org, the humanitarian arm that works on projects like apps to help find missing persons after some type of disaster. he and others there are often extremely frustrated by what goes on over at

Re: nettime [SPAM] Re: tensions within the bay area elites

2014-05-12 Thread michael gurstein
Glad to see Google getting it's due but I'm wondering if the deeper significance and risk posed by Google isn't being a wee bit overlooked here... In a blogpost I did about a year ago, I was pointing to Google's victory in an anti-trust action which was being interpreted as a victory for free