Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-10 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ird party. They position themselves above both sides offering enlightened judgement, but have no insight and no stake. They are narcissistic propagandists. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net critici

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
our countries. If we want to work out strategies, we first need to join a side, there is no role for random, powerless, disconnected self-entitled judges of "both sides" that leads anywhere but defeat. Best, On 2021-01-11 13:59, Frank Rieger wrote: On 10. Jan 2021, at 22:56, Dmytri

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2021-01-11 16:55, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: Frank, honestly, and with all due respect, it is your take that is boring beyond words. And just to be clear, when I say with all due respect, I mean it. CCC has many commendable projects, including Chaos Macht Schule, and has worked with the local

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
list countries, but he doesn't get lost in chauvinsim nor doctrinaire idealism, the state is just people and develops dialectically, and the people who make it up must be engaged with dialogically. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permissio

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
g too. Especially when their paycheques depend on it. Plenty of material from which Franks' position could be critiqued, yet certainly not through toxic male dominance gestures like yours. I have great respect for Frank. I trust he wont mistake spirited writing with insult. -- Dmyt

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
international organizations, which are the results of the post-World War II order. The international sphere will see great changes after this crisis and in the beginning of next year. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated m

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
nda and rejecting and denouncing them at every turn? Now, given what João Pedro wrote, quoted in a different response here, about the rise of China and the new global possibilities this is opening up, you might think that this should be taken into account in any talk of, you know, a "strate

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
hat.. There's more?? Inline comments too! Oh man, What happened to being against long diatribes and laying down page after page of your own thoughts, etc. Oh well.. On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:35 , Dmytri Kleiner wrote: MST is certainly not, MST is a direct movement of the oppressed, and

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
but denounces them and denies their accomplishments, and only if they sheepdog them into ineffective practices rather than anything that is a real threat to the elite. So that's where we are and how we lose. They are a misleadership class. A dialogical internationalist strategy is

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
that our prospects as an isolated embedded left are slim to none, but our prospects as part of a connected global left are world changing. A dialogical internationalist approach is the way to resolve this contradiction, think globally, act locally, as even the patches sewn on to student back

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ng, and drawing on it more would enrich this discussion, especially as concerns your experience in Wisonsin and the networks you describe. Cheers, -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborat

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
left strategy. On 2021-01-15 21:02, Joseph Rabie wrote: A question for Dmytri: Is China a truly Communist country, and if so, what are the markers of this? -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net crit

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-16 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
resolve their contradictions, and focus on our own rather than allowing our elite to propagandize into thinking they are our enemies. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filteri

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-16 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2021-01-16 16:53, Joseph Rabie wrote: Le 16 janv. 2021 à 11:24, Dmytri Kleiner a écrit : Judging China is not a part of his strategy, and should not be, because it's a bad strategy. We should trust the Chinese workers to resolve their contradictions, and focus on our own rather

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
fine a pro-institutionalist strategy as thus, the extent to which any institutional form is deemed "democratic" aka legitimate, follows the extent (and breadth) to which peer review carries throughout the whole process of leadership appointment, agenda setting, and resource allocation. Y

Re: offlist Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
mcarthyist gatekeeper, that is why you keep writing in this thread. The good news is more and more of the young are no longer swayed by this victims of communism memorial foundation type chauvinism and epoch times talking points. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
and rooted in the efforts of the people themselves facing concrete proglems, led by their own organic leaders, not third party pundits, where we organize, try stuff, learn the results and iterate forward, always building class power. This is the strategy we need, and as Jane McAlevey would note, t

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
r grounds for a strategic ‘intervention' from our moderators. Ted? IB On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:28, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: On 2021-01-18 13:42, Felix Stalder wrote: So, what exactly is the lesson that China holds for "us", that is, cultural/knowledge workers While these questio

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
stance in The Second Browser Wars. I'm entitled to shock and awe nettime once every decade, and neither Ted nor Felix will risk relegation to the tickle gulag. However, I never resist moderation. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a mod

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ern flowers in everything from McAlevey to Lean UX, as well as a domesticated parallel construction in Business Management Thoery, especially Goldratt and Deming. If all this is boring, I'm not sure what this list finds interesting anymore. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : n

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
and denouncements, while pretending to be the injured party. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
h new strategies in numerous constituencies and workplaces. Rest assured that much of what I'm discussing comes from experiences in constituencies and workplaces, even when I don't provide surveillance photos to match. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use wit

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
me, as we only have the agency and insight to do so in our homes, while we protect each other from aggression from our own Hauptfiend is a strategy that could well work, and thus is a good strategy for the left. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without pe

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
in person. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.n

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-19 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
on you would address the topic, namely the questions of left strategy that have been discussed. [1] https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-19 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
refuge in anti-Chinese rhetoric." -- The Country Where Liberty Is a Statue, Vijay Prashad. [1] https://www.thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/2-united-states-democracy/ -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list

Re: The List needs a new Topic

2021-01-20 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
the telekommunisten project, born in the hacker, activist and media art circles that many of us share, has led me to be in contact with these communities, and I will now go where they lead, even if that means, sadly, walking away from some of you. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via

Re: The List needs a new Topic

2021-01-20 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
which was still common in the late 1960s, we must undertake the intellectual exercise of entering into dialogue with his gendered forms of expression with the aim of critical reflection and developing emancipatory alternatives. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use wi

Uneasy Social: The Telekommunisten Assembly @transmediale

2021-01-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
beneath a love seat in Prenzlauer Berg! MOO programming sessions every month! The Telekommunisten Assembly: https://asym.me/assembly/ or join us by telnet assembly.asym.me port need help? just ask in the MOO or join our discord! https://discord.gg/tZymcq4XTW -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri #

Disassociation from Michel Bauwens

2021-03-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
n, Germany. Dmytri Kleiner, software developer, Berlin, Germany. Cindy Kohtala, researcher of peer production, Helsinki, Finland. Alekos Pantazis, researcher, Tallinn University of Technology & core member, P2P Lab. David Potočnik, CHT/Totalism.org hackbase, Canary Islands. Sharon Prendeville, S

Re: what does monetary value indicate?

2021-03-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
onomics of crypto currencies, though an NFT is a collectible not a currency, so it has a different economic identity. https://www.newsclick.in/face-value-bitcoin-proof-work-and-labour-theory-value --- The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value Dmytri Kleiner B

Re: what does monetary value indicate?

2021-03-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: -- Dmytri Kleiner http://dmytri.info @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing

Put On Your Corbyn Face!

2017-05-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
more interesting tracking models. -- Dmytri Kleiner http://dmytri.info @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org

Re: Mechanical Turkish

2018-01-31 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2018-01-29 22:40, Brian Holmes wrote: > The urgent question today is how to > create collective forms of democratic government for complex societies > captivated by the myth of the sovereign individual. Read C.B. Macpherson? -- Dmytri Kleiner http://dmytri.info @dmytri # di

The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value

2018-02-03 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/face-value-bitcoin-proof-work-labour-theory-value/2018/02/01 # The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value Dmytri Kleiner Bitcoin was created to be a new kind of money rooted in a vision of a market not bound by geography, banks and

Re: The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour

2018-02-07 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Sure, a blockchain without a cryptocurrency could work that way, but that would not accomplish the goals of the bitcoin creators. You might be interested in Taler: https://taler.net/en/ Anyway, thanks for the feedback, if you're on twitter, would be awesome if you'd share it! Where are you ba

Two New Articles on Capitalism

2011-05-21 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
lways. Feel free to pass on and repost. For those of you in Berlin, Stammtisch continues at Cafe Buchhandlung each Tuesday starting at 9pm. http://j.mp/buchhandlung Kind Regards, Dmytri Kleiner + http://about.me/dmytri + http://facebook.com/telekommunisten + http://j.mp/telekommunist-mani

We must build social power, not pretend we can hold the powerful to account. (on 9/11)

2011-09-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
The day after the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks a discusion broke out on the theory list of the wonderful "Philadelphia Socialists"[1] group, triggered by a CunterPunch article that critiques 9/11 conspiracy theory[2]. Cockburn's article includes this important point: "These day

Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-21 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Congratulations to the Pirate Party having won an astounding 8.9% in the Berlin elections. As I wrote two weeks ago, this is their moment of relevance, the emergence of Information politics as a mainstream political topic. Having 15 Piratenpartei representatives in the local government will cert

Re: Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-23 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:48:34 +0200, Matze Schmidt wrote: > The Pirate Party Germany is just a young liberal party defending > benefits for and of middle class business or creative people in the so > called hypermobile city as some belive Berlin may be one. Hey Matze, the text is not about the p

Re: Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:09:41 +0200, Matze Schmidt wrote: > Hi Dmytri, > > yes, but the paryt was simply your kind of proposition to the rest of > the text. The party was used as an example of a "cause" based party, which I argue can not mobilize the masses, and therefore can only remain politi

Re: Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:19:25 +0200, Matze Schmidt wrote: > Well, you've been telling that the the workplace is not the place where > appropriation is felt. Feeling and knowing are diffrent types of > consciousness or awareness. To feel "I'm not exploited" does not mean > that your're not. And I

Re: Fwd: Diaspora* means a brighter future for all of us.

2011-09-27 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:37:39 +0100, Rob Myers wrote: > On 26/09/11 07:22, Yosem Companys wrote: > >> Moreover, Diaspora is non-commercial and community-run. > > How will you be funding your second year? Sorry, can't resist. >From http://www.thimbl.net/manifesto.html The Thimbl Manife

Re: Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:13:38 +0200, Matze Schmidt wrote: > Sorry, some last words to it: Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. > If you reject the possibility of > knowing the essence (which is a dynamic thing not just 'static essence') > behind, under or besides the appearance(s) (Hegel), you j

#Thimbl, Social Media Week, @dsearls and Economic Fiction as a Performative Artwork

2011-10-05 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
#Thimbl, Social Media Week, @dsearls and Economic Fiction as a Performative Artwork Thimbl[1] has been getting some attention lately, party because of my talk at Social Media Week Berlin[2], partly because of a Tweet by the legendary Doc Searls[3]. Despite being part of Transmediale 2010 and win

This is not a call for politics as usual to be appealed to to solve our problems, this is a call to Occupy Government.

2011-10-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
In a private conversation on that great modern Stoa, Facebook, my friend Tiziana Terranova, endorsed the Objectives of the Debtors' Party[1], saying "there's nothing about these objectives I could not share," but went to ask a rather pointed question: "It is the notion of starting a political par

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-10-27 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Chris, not sure yet how the actual internal democracy would be structured, I guess that itself would be designed byway of a democratic process. On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:38:48 -0400, chris mann wrote: > or, everyone gets five (5) votes which they can spend in the > countries of their choice.

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-10-28 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Thanks Brian, I certainly agree that there would be a lot of commonality with these movements. However, I think the opportunity here is bigger than, we need to have a Mass movement, which the radicalism of OWS, etc, as much as I love it, and identify with it, could never have. We need to reach th

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-11-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 30.10.2011 22:46, martin hardie wrote: Have you been following the Spanish precursor to the occupy movement? Yes, but certainly not the exact demographics. I would none the less hazard the guess that the majority of Spanish people are not active in the movement, even if they have the sam

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-11-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 31.10.2011 07:59, Keith Sanborn wrote: Party specialization for those seen as incapable of representing themselves may seem quite pragmatic but it's the beginning of hierarchy. We did not choose the party form, that is the form that currently Governs our society. Our choice is merely to dev

The False Defences of Utopian Thought.

2011-11-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
'There is a strange paradox in Marx's approach to revolution. Generally speaking, when Marx speaks of material creativity, he speaks of 'production', and here he insists, as I've mentioned, that the defining feature of humanity is that we first imagine things, and then try to bring them into b

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 02.11.2011 09:33, fran ilich wrote: and do the spanish people even know that they're economy is so dependent in the colonial parasiting of -for instance- latin america? Asymmetrical international relations is the primary motivation for having a transnational party. -- Dmyri Kleiner Vent

Re: The False Defences of Utopian Thought.

2011-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 02.11.2011 05:28, Morlock Elloi wrote: So real events, creating the future otherwise unimaginable by individuals, are unconscious acts of collective creation that we are only to interpret post-festum? That's religion. Hi Morlock, I'm not sure what you're responding to in particular, buy c

Re: The False Defences of Utopian Thought.

2011-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 02.11.2011 05:03, Angela Mitropoulos wrote: And I'm always surprised to find the charge of utopianism being made in the name of the idealised abstractions of representational politics. Hi Angela, thanks for you comments, I read them with interest. Just to be clear, I was not making any cha

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 01.11.2011 19:11, Snafu wrote: But when you elect a class of professional politicians, it is unlikely that they will abdicate their power to other bodies as their legitimation (and income) derives from the bourgeois institutional structures the Transnational Counterparty is meant to deny. I

Re: The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-11-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 01.11.2011 23:36, Keith Sanborn wrote: The placards on OWC read: we have no demands. I suppose that while you feel that is poetic, you also know it's false. -- Dmytri Kleiner http://www.trick.ca # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing

Re: 99%? 66% is more like it

2011-11-03 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 02.11.2011 19:56, Felix Stalder wrote: My impression is that the wide popularity of these movements is based on common desire to return the system to what is perceived it's "normal state", i.e. the American dream in the US, some sort of welfare state in the EU. While they are clearly more rad

Re: 99%? 66% is more like it

2011-11-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Let's not get too caught up in the x% rhetoric, the numbers are just illustrative, 99% meaning "almost everybody", Alex's 66% I take to mean "2 of the 3 social classes" he discusses, without needing quantifying the exact size of those social groups to make the point. In any case, if you wher

Re: The False Defences of Utopian Thought.

2011-11-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 04.11.2011 06:31, Angela Mitropoulos wrote: Symbolic occupations and defaults? Really? The OWS occupations are clearly symbolic, as explained, they are not occupations of productive assets. Legally sanctioned "Occupation by foreclosed residents" is not really a tactical occupation but rath

The Creative Commons is to Free Culture what Shareware is to Free Software

2011-11-08 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
The Creative Commons is to Free Culture what Shareware is to Free Software Back in the early days of computers proprietary software developers had a problem. Often working from home or small-offices, far removed from their potential customers, there was no easy way to sell software to their cus

In/compatible, paradoxical, antithetical, the Janusian nature of Revolution, #tmresource

2011-11-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
In/compatible, paradoxical, antithetical, the Janusian nature of Revolution, #tmresource "All is flux, nothing stays still." claimed Heraclitus. Heraclitus believed that you could not step into the same river twice, that the way up is the way down, that nothing simply is, that everything

How I accidentally became a blogger and blogged the #28c3

2012-01-03 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Well, #28c3 has come and gone. I’m not sure how it happened, but after all these years on the internet, It looks like I’ve somehow become a blogger. I never really wanted to be a blogger, after all the most exciting thing about the Internet has always been the ability for users to interact

#R15N, The Official Miscommunication Platform of @transmediale 2012

2012-01-10 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
A delegation from Transmediale 2012 [1] came over to my place last night to discuss the latest Telekommunisten artwork, R15N [2]. In addition to various organizational and technical details that we need to work out in preparation for the not-to-be-missed upcoming Transmediale, we talked about

Autonomy, Labour, and the Political Economy of Social Media

2012-01-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ch project MIG@NET invite you to the event titled: «Autonomy, Labour, and the Political Economy of Social Media». Presentations by: Tiziana Terranova - Becoming autonomous? Labour and the political economy of digital social media Dmytri Kleiner – P2P Communism vs Client-Server Capitalism on Thursday 19

Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle.

2012-01-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Greece and the Macroeconomics of Class Struggle. At thursday evening's talk at the occupied Empros Theater in Athens, Tiziana Terranova and I gave presentations on the political economy of social media to a diverse and engaged community. The Empros Theatre is in central Athens, part of the

Interflugs, Kulterwertmark

2012-01-27 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Interflugs[1] is a student managed lecture series organized at WestGermany[2], an underground event venue located in a former doctor’s office near Kottbusser Tor. The Interflugs series is initiated by students of Universität der Künste. The event was well attended, and discussion flowed freely

Sex Work and Consent at @transmediale

2012-02-07 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Sex Work and Consent at @transmediale Transmediale 2012 is over. R15N is closed again, until the next occasion. As usual, lots of great people  at the festival, and lots to talk and think about. On Saturday I attended the discussion "Commercialising Eros" with Jacob Appelbaum, Zach Blas, Lia

The Debtors' Song

2012-02-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Well, it's been a while since I wrote anything about the Debtors' Party, I have a few texts in mind about horizontal money, about why we should continue to use the word communism, and more about the macroeconomics of class struggle, but I thought I'd start by honouring a debt. I promised my f

What's in a name? That which we call Communism, by any other name, would be suppressed just the same.

2012-02-21 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
"Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen!" With these words Karl Marx perhaps summarized best what Communism is, succinctly expressing the goals of the communist movement. While Communism is an older and much broader movement than the work of Marx and his followers alone,

The Tedious Tax Payers' Lament

2012-02-28 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
The Tedious Tax Payers' Lament Can we please stop crying about "Our Tax Payers' Money?" Far too often when reading a perhaps otherwise interesting essay, this horrible argument is made. Whatever the governments' wrong doing e.g: police violence against protesters, or military adventures abroa

Re: Mute article on Bitcoin

2012-03-05 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 04.03.2012 16:50, Jaromil wrote: hi Josie, The Wine and Cheese Appreciation Society and Scott Len take the currency seriously but ask, how exactly does it differ from 'real' money? A rather quick conclusion, comprehensible since it takes some knowledge of cryptography to understand tha

Re: Mute article on Bitcoin

2012-03-06 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 05.03.2012 21:26, Jaromil wrote: I'd argue is an error to quickly frame into a macroeconomic perspective the narrative opened by Bitcoin. Yet, if a currency is to have some sort of emancipatory potential, it must affect the distribution of wealth and flows of incomes, and thereby should h

Thimbl, Unlike Us & A Pair of Inconvenient Paradoxes

2012-03-06 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Thimbl, Unlike Us & A Pair of Inconvenient Paradoxes The Institute for Network Cultures will be holding the 2nd Unlike Us conference (1), "Understanding Social Media Monopolies and Their Alternatives." I'll be there, representing Telekommunisten's Thimbl(2), which will be present among many oth

Re: Mute article on Bitcoin

2012-03-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Jaromil! Great to see you too, too bad I couldn't hang out longer, no doubt we'll bump into each other again sooner, rather than later. I fully understand that DYNDY and your research is not focused only on BitCoin, however this thread, and the mute article it references is specifically ab

Re: 'Occupy' as a business model: The emerging open-source civilisation

2012-03-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Ben, just quickly, first of all I don't intend to dictate answers to you questions, my question is economic, how to allow labour to retain more of the product of it's labour, your question is administrative, and that is, of course, something that's best discovered through practise. In any ca

The Macroeconomic Identity of Communism

2012-04-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
sharable version of this article online here: http://www.dmytri.info/the-macroeconomic-identity-of-communism/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering an

Revolutionary Flows of Value in the Macroeconomy

2012-04-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
! (1) http://www.dmytri.info/its-the-macroeconomy-stupid/ (2) http://www.dmytri.info/the-macroeconomic-identity-of-communism (3) http://www.dmytri.info/false-defences-of-utopian-thought/ (4) http://wp.me/p24fqL-2E (5) http://bit.ly/buchhandlung   A shareable version of this text is online here: http:

Intermodal Value Flows in the Macroeconomy

2012-05-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
IMPORTANT: Stammtisch will not be a Cafe Buchhandlung today, but rather at Cafe Kotti in Kruetzberg to be closer to the May 1st festivities Intermodal Value Flows in the Macroeconomy It's May 1st today, I'm sure that I could, rather than test your patience with yet more wonkish macroecon

Re: Revolutionary Flows of Value in the Macroeconomy

2012-05-03 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 01.05.2012 23:38, Jaromil wrote: I do know that you are just a clown. Here we agree! As for the rest of your mail, I'm clearly not smart enough to draw any coherence from its mysteries. Love your work. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercia

Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
y-moglen-ioerror-rp12/ Eliminating privilege is a political struggle, not a technical one. I'll be at Stammtisch as usual around 9pm, please come by, anybody still hanging around after #rp12 is more than welcome to join us. You can find us here: http://bit.ly/buchhandlung A sharable v

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ce of capital in our society, it's not clear where such capacity will come from. Thanks for the roundup. It doesn't progress much from a story on mass-media that we have told ourselves already 20 or more years ago in Italy, if not before. Anyway. <...> -- Dmytri Kleiner

Re: Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-09 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ge of development that can never be suitable as a platform for the masses. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner http://www.trick.ca # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the

Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
. A sharable version can be found online here: http://wp.me/p24fqL-xK I'll be at Cafe Buchhandlung at 9pm as usual tonight. Please join us. {1} http://www.dmytri.info/privacy-moglen-ioerror-rp12/ {2} http://bit.ly/buchhandung -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commerc

Radical Openness and #LiWoLi 2012

2012-05-22 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ical-openness-and-liwoli-2012/ I'll be at stammtisch {2} this evening around 9pm as usual. {1} http://liwoli.at {2} http://bit.ly/buchhandlung -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism

Responsibilization & Collective Social Aspirations

2012-06-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
y and safety on line, but to create the kind of society we want broadly. A society where wealth and power, and responsibility is more broadly shared. {1} http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/unlikeus/2012/03/09/seda-gurses-and-privacy-in-online-social-networks/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Comm

Re: crowd-funding on nettime

2012-09-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
eally crowd fund a cultural economy, we can perhaps crowd fund capacity by way of the commons to sustain a new society from wich a new cultural economy can emerge. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moder

Eternal September

2012-09-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
pm. {1} http://secushare.org {2} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_imx0z3LY {3} http://telekommunisten.net/octo/ {4} http://project.arnolfini.org.uk/miscommunication-station {5} http://www.amaze-festival.de {6} http://i-mine.org {7} http://r15n.net {8} http://www.eternal-september.org/?language=

Debt As A Public Good, Berlin #BeautifulTrouble Book Launch w/ @AndrewBoyd & @Info_Activism // Attn @BTroublemakers

2012-09-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
this Thursday at the Beautiful Trouble Booklaunch! {1} http://andrewboyd.com/ {2} http://beautifultrouble.org/event/beautiful-trouble-book-launch-berlin/ {3} http://www.dmytri.info/collected-texts-related-to-the-debtors-party-initiative-updated/ {4} http://www.dmytri.info/debtors-song/ {5} http

Re: Debt As A Public Good, Berlin #BeautifulTrouble Book Launch w/ @AndrewBoyd & @Info_Activism // Attn @BTroublemakers

2012-09-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ks. Do you advocate a return to national economy? There must be some rhetorical purpose for exhuming this relic. -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text fi

Re: Olivier Auber: Network symetry and net neutrality

2013-03-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
issue, since without it, only institutions such as google can broadcast to large audiences. I agree that it is a different issue than P2P. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net crit

THE SERVER IS THE MASTER: NUMBERS STATION @transmediale

2014-01-31 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
UNITY. --> http://telekommunisten.net/numbers-station SEE ALSO: ADDRESSABILITY IS POWER. http://telekommunisten.net/2014/01/30/addressability-is-power-numbers-station-at-transmediale/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a mode

Scratch-off the Facebook logo, and you’ll fin

2014-02-07 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ctive political struggle to achieve such platforms. This is a political struggle, not a technical one. sharable version here: http://www.dmytri.info/scratch-off-the-facebook-logo-and-youll-find-the-compuserv-logo-underneath/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via : no commercia

M-C-LOL: Circuits of value in the Lulz economy.

2014-02-07 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
last laugh. I'll be at Cafe Buchhandlung tonight around 9pm or so, come by if you're in time, hope we have lots of surprise guests still hanging around Berlin after transmediale. sharable version: http://www.dmytri.info/m-c-lol/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed vi

Re: Finn Brunton: A short history of spam (LMD)

2014-02-28 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
: ADRIAN@SRI-KL] From: Geoff at SRI-KA (Geoffrey S. Goodfellow) To: msggroup at ISI Message-ID: <[SRI-KA]10-May-78 09:10:14.GEOFF> Begin forwarded message === Mail-from: DEC-MARLBORO rcvd at 3-May-78 0955-PDT Date: 1 May 1978 1233-EDT From: THUERK at DEC-MARLBORO Subje

Dear #NETMundial, Governance is cool and all, but we need to DEMAND

2014-04-29 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Many of my friends and colleagues where in Sao Paulo last week for NETMundial, the Multi-stakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. Dilma Rousseff, President of Brazil, convened this initiative to "focus on principles of Internet governance and the proposal for a roadmap for futu

Hackers can't solve Surveillance

2015-01-02 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
at there is no business model for secure mass communications. In order to achieve a society where we can expect privacy we need more hackers and hackerspaces to embrace the broader political challenges of building a more equal society. permalink: http://www.dmytri.info/hackers-cant-solve-surveillan

WhiteSave.me -- The App That Delivers Privilege

2015-07-27 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
WhiteSave.me The App That Delivers Privilege WhiteSave.me enables White men to help non-Whites to succeed in life without disrupting existing systems and long-standing traditions. http://whitesave.me http://whitesave.me/#release http://whitesave.me/#call Just released this new work. --- fwd

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

2022-11-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2022-11-30 01:34, nettime's mod squad wrote: Dear nettimers, Oh wtf why not https://tldr.nettime.org/web/@dk -- Dmytri Kleiner # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cul

A.I. Lenin: What is to be Done Today, by ChatGPT and Dmytri Kleiner

2022-12-23 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
A.I. Lenin What is to be Done Today, by GPT and Dmytri Kleiner In the early 20th century, Lenin recognized the importance of an all-Russian newspaper as a means of building the capacities and capabilities necessary for a revolutionary movement to overthrow capitalism. Similarly, a digital

The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-10-26 Thread Dmytri Kleiner/ Friends.
In explaining the Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party I have discussed the issues of why "Debtors" and why a "Party", now I would like to introduce some ideas as to how the Debtors' Party will be different from other parties, by proposing the idea of a "Transnational Counte

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