Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-11-01 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Felix Stalder wrote: > I don't think much interesting can be found in the opposition > between critique & practice on the one hand, and between electronic > & physical one other. [...] The key, it seems, lies in translation, > between languages, between contexts, between peop

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2015-10-31 Thread morlockelloi
IaaS indeed. Technology is the cause of everything, ideology is there to explain it. By 'technology' I didn't really mean things that happened in the last 10-20 years. The only recent developments of significance are establishment of vigorous keyboard punching as effective honeytrap for neuterin

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-10-30 Thread Felix Stalder
I don't think much interesting can be found in the opposition between critique & practice on the one hand, and between electronic & physical one other. Sure, there's a lot of theory-posturing that portrays itself as critical but is primarily about self-promotion and there is lots of activism that

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-10-30 Thread Jaromil
dear Morlock, as usual your cynical slap feels fascinating and somehow invigorating On Thu, 29 Oct 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: > The understanding and manipulation of masses has become a > technology-based activity. Like transportation or food production. > > Reflexes and intuition in a

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-10-29 Thread Keith Sanborn
What happens in the streets still counts as much as what happens on-line. For being archaic a technology does not become useless, nor does mere "newness" mean superiority. > On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:50 PM, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: > > The understanding and manipulation of masses has become a >

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2015-10-29 Thread morlockelloi
The understanding and manipulation of masses has become a technology-based activity. Like transportation or food production. Reflexes and intuition in activism from the last few centuries are becoming irrelevant in this regard - this is what 'activists' generally refuse to understand, despite

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-10-29 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Geert Lovink wrote: > > On 30 Aug 2015, at 12:26 pm, Alex Foti wrote: > > > > So anarchists, autonomists, ecologists, queers are right in what > > they say and fight for, but they are also all wrong, because if they > > don't unite neoliberals and fundamentalists will defeat

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-09-02 Thread Jaromil
dear Andreas, John, Armin On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: > to act on these systems is not a matter of clicking like-buttons, and > it cannot be done in innocently white t-shirts on the streets of a > shopping mall in vienna. (you may need a tie, or worse...) it may > mean, for in

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-09-02 Thread John Hopkins
Hallo Armin simple humanistic themes. On one hand slogans probably need to be so simple to mobilize so many, but on the other hand the absence of any deeper political analysis means that those 30.000 will not form the nucleus of a new political movement ... which made me a bit sad in the end ..

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-09-02 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
armin, folks, i agree that it is urgent to complement the important humanistic concerns with a re-politicisation of the so-called crisis; it is important that we understand that the current arrival of refugees in (some) european countries, as much as the turbulences on the global financial market

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-09-01 Thread Armin Medosch
Dear Alex, thanks for this. I also share your analysis. A few weeks ago I have written a piece which I didn't post on nettime, but I do it now: http://www.thenextlayer.org/node/1335 It goes into a slightly different direction: How can we effectively voice opposition when the old media have reach

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-31 Thread jan hendrik brueggemeier
Thanks for this Alex! In terms of new intellectual synthesis / political philosophy I thought Ocalan's fusing of Kurdish workers party as in the case of the PKK with Bookchin/Biel (Eco-Anarchism/Eco-feminism) is pointing in am interesting direction - and at least for insular me came as a surprise

Fwd: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-31 Thread Alex Foti
you are right new age superstition is undermining people's critical thinking. we need a lot more scientific education for the democratization of tech. i meant simplification of political messages and identification of key issues to polarize the body politic. Il domenica 30 agosto 2015, Geert Lovi

what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-31 Thread Alex Foti
-- Messaggio inoltrato -- Da: *Alex Foti* Data: lunedì 31 agosto 2015 Oggetto: what if we were all right but all wrong? A: Eric Beck characterizing v as redbrown is warped. that's putin giving money to lepen. i think it weakens your legitimate criticism. this wasnt a pie

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-31 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
Am 30/08/15 um 18:20 schrieb Eric Beck: > So while this new red-brown alliance might be effective, it's worth > asking who will benefit by being "half right." Doubtful it will be > migrants. The prospects for women, children, and queers is unlikely to > be too sunny under the rule of "right wing so

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2015-08-31 Thread morlockelloi
This could be a manifestation of one of the finer points of Reed's Law, namely that the worth (and effect) of the network is not how many nodes are attached to it, but how many different groups can form within it. In this case, the 'network' is general anti-whoever-has-the-power sentiment, but a

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-30 Thread Eric Beck
On Sunday, August 30, 2015, Alex Foti wrote: > What's important is that we ditch our ideological past to forge a > new, necessarily contradictory, unity that is able to wield power and beat > the eurocaste. It's better to be more than half right and win, than to be > totally right and lose;) > >

Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-30 Thread Geert Lovink
> On 30 Aug 2015, at 12:26 pm, Alex Foti wrote: > > So anarchists, autonomists, ecologists, queers are right in what they say > and fight for, but they are also all wrong, because if they don't unite > neoliberals and fundamentalists will defeat each one by one. We need a new > intellectual synt

what if we were all right but all wrong?

2015-08-30 Thread Alex Foti
dear 'timers what if politically all the traditions and identities we come from and belong to were all important contributions to countercapitalist change but each taken in isolation failed to address the burning issues of our times: radical democracy vs repressive austerity, migrants' rights vs c