Nobody?
Rgds,
Joris
1.) Is there a possibility to make networkmanager connect from
commande-line?
2.) My nm-applet only show Disconnect VPN... in the VPN Connections
menu. Is there something special to configure to create a new VPN
connection?
Regards,
Joris
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 18:15 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
I think something like this would work.. But how would one configure the
available or preferred networks in the nobody context? Provided there is
some way for a user to push this list of networks/keys into the nobody context
I have no
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:27 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seriously, what's the difference to the end user?
Having to type their password first?
Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a
race condition between login and network
Robert Love wrote:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
IMNSHO it would be much better to store this information globally so that NM can
choose from pre-defined networks before the user is logged in. This certainly
works fine for WEP or unprotected networks, and even for
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:27 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seriously, what's the difference to the end user?
Having to type their password first?
Not necessarily:
Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a
race condition between
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 03:05 +0200, Sebastien ESTIENNE wrote:
D
I also need it for other reasons than kerberos:
- i can't acces my samba shares until i log in, using my laptops as
mobile file server, sometimes i expect to just power it on and be able
to acces my files.
- the same for apache
Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a
race condition between login and network startup?
You ignored this issue...
Caching credentials is a HARD problem. How is PAM supposed to
know my kerberos password, unless it stores it
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:27 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seriously, what's the difference to the end user?
Having to type their password first?
Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a
race
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 10:14 -0400, warlord wrote:
Dan, you keep conflating two issues which are not the same. You seem to be
confusing network exists at startup from network changes from under
you. I'm concerned about the former, you seem to talking about the
latter.
I would conflate the
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:58 -0400, warlord wrote:
Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a
race condition between login and network startup?
You ignored this issue...
I ignored it because Dan answered it: all applications
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Note that I'm really only considering user/desktop apps here. We
shouldn't expect server stuff like Apache to assume no network, since
the whole point of Apache is that there _is_ a network to serve stuff
to. But if somebody has a laptop that's always
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:55 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
no offense intended, but I still disagree with that design choice. It
means you
cannot use NM in a situation where you have wireless network and
network-based
login (e.g.
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 18:20 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Because I don't want my kerberos password cached.. Anywhere.. Anytime.
What is the threat, exactly? Laptop theft? In that case, since the
password is only cached in memory, as soon the
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 21:59 +0200, Joris Vuffray wrote:
Nobody?
Rgds,
Joris
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1.) Is there a possibility to make networkmanager connect from
commande-line?
dbus-send ? What are you trying to do here
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Joris Vuffray wrote:
I just want to have NetworkManager initiate the connection b4 I login in
gdm.
I have vpnc installed and the two nm-vpnc-service* installed
in /usr/bin. (Disconnect VPN... is not highlighted).
It should be a bug on
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:32 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
This isn't something we really support right now, since
nm-applet/NetworkManagerInfo aren't running before you log in, therefore
NetworkManager cannot know stored preferences and other per-user config
information. If you have an Ethernet
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:35 -0500, Steev wrote:
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Joris Vuffray wrote:
I just want to have NetworkManager initiate the connection b4 I login in
gdm.
I have vpnc installed and the two nm-vpnc-service* installed
in /usr/bin.
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:45 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
Yeah, I wasn't sure about it. I just tested it though, and it worked
for me. The only thing that would make NM _not_ do it is if it doesn't
know that your wired interface is up, I think? Feel free to investigate
if you like. As I see
Quoting Robert Love [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:45 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
Yeah, I wasn't sure about it. I just tested it though, and it worked
for me. The only thing that would make NM _not_ do it is if it doesn't
know that your wired interface is up, I think? Feel
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:57 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
I've had it fail in weird cases sometimes. I've even had it get into a
situation where it wouldn't do wired or wireless, and the applet was
completely
ineffective in doing anything. A reboot cleared that up, but I think there's
some
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
All the wireless keys, preferred network, and which networks you're
actually allowed to connect to are stored per-user, as designed, and
also as designed, NetworkManager won't attempt to connect to a wireless
network without that data since it couldn't
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:05 -0400, Robert Love wrote:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:57 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
I've had it fail in weird cases sometimes. I've even had it get into a
situation where it wouldn't do wired or wireless, and the applet was
completely
ineffective in doing
Quoting Robert Love [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
IMNSHO it would be much better to store this information globally so that
NM can
choose from pre-defined networks before the user is logged in. This
certainly
works fine for WEP or
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:14 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
Intended. If you wanted a wireless network, why would you have a cable
plugged in? If you want a wireless network, why are you docked and why
does the docking station have a cable plugged in?
Say if my Ethernet is broken or on a
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
All the wireless keys, preferred network, and which networks you're
actually allowed to connect to are stored per-user, as designed, and
also as designed, NetworkManager won't attempt to connect
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:16 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
For a standard WEP key I see no reason to keep it per-user. If you're sharing
your machine with multiple people you're generally sharing your network, too.
It might not be my network. It might be my office versus my
girlfriend's bordello
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:24 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Moreover, I have a bunch of network services that don't like to startup
without
network. Even now I have to restart ntpd, sendmail, and athena-zhm by hand..
And I don't even want to think about the hell that OpenAFS would be! It's
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
All the wireless keys, preferred network, and which networks you're
actually allowed to connect to are stored per-user, as designed, and
also as designed, NetworkManager won't attempt to connect
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:24 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If you're using network login, your computer is tied specifically to
that network; you can't switch networks, which invalidates a lot of the
point of NetworkManager as it is today. For the
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:17 -0400, Robert Love wrote:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:14 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
Intended. If you wanted a wireless network, why would you have a cable
plugged in? If you want a wireless network, why are you docked and why
does the docking station have a
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:41 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
If its broken, hopefully it won't be saying that it's got a link. If it
does, then we get to play the how can I disable you system-wide game.
Either BIOS or knock it out of HAL somehow. NM should allow you to use
what HAL provides.
I
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:36 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
A while ago some Fedora hackers were working on cached credentials for
PAM; the idea is that when you logged in, the credentials would be
cached locally, so that if you were ever away from the network, you
could still log in. I'm not
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
no offense intended, but I still disagree with that design choice. It means
you
cannot use NM in a situation where you have wireless network and network-based
login (e.g. Kerberos/Hesiod, NIS, etc). In the current design you have to
Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Actually, that's not true at all. I could be in any of a dozen different
buildings at MIT, at my house, at Usenix or IETF or some other conference
--
Yep, NetworkManager rocks for this.
Except it wont bring me up on the network until I'm logged
Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:57 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
but I shouldn't have to use cached credentials -- I can acquire real
credentials
if I were just on the network. I don't need to use PAM cached creds in
this
situation. I just need IP
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
- when someone logs in the nm-applet managed by gdm goes away and is
replaced with the nm-applet in the user session (this, similar schemes
for e.g. fast-user-switching).
As we've talked about before, something like this would be completely
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seriously, what's the difference to the end user?
Having to type their password first?
Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a
race condition between login and network startup?
As far as technical implementation I don't see using
Derek Atkins wrote:
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
- when someone logs in the nm-applet managed by gdm goes away and is
replaced with the nm-applet in the user session (this, similar schemes
for e.g. fast-user-switching).
As we've talked about before, something like this would be
1.) Is there a possibility to make networkmanager connect from
commande-line?
2.) My nm-applet only show Disconnect VPN... in the VPN Connections
menu. Is there something special to configure to create a new VPN
connection?
Regards,
Joris
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Joris Vuffray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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