Just a note for those who are annoyed that less will clear the screen on
quit.
export LESS=-X
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Ertugrul Söylemez ert...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Eelco,
There is a very good reason for this principle. If a program does
more than what it's intended to do, then it
Hi.
On 01/02/2015 02:36 AM, Ertugrul Söylemez wrote:
since Nix 1.8 much of the output of nix commands is piped through
`less`, which is certainly meant to be a convenience, but that
convenience depends on a few assumptions:
If you set PAGER=cat or PAGER= you get pretty much the old behavior.
Hi Charles,
Perhaps suggesting shell aliases would be sufficient for those that
may want the pager by default?
Yes, that's a good solution.
Greets,
Ertugrul
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Hi Michael,
When I explicitly launch man, I am going to read the top of the man
page and some place in the middle, so less is useful.
Absolutely, `man` is supposed to be an interactive program, and it
usually displays formatted text that wouldn't fit on one page anyway.
But honestly I wouldn't
Hi Vladimír,
If you set PAGER=cat or PAGER= you get pretty much the old behavior.
Also, if the output isn't a terminal, less isn't used, e.g. ``nix-env -q
| cat`` or ``nix-env -q | grep foo`` works the old way for me.
I'm aware of that, and it's a terrible solution. I want to have
PAGER=less
If it helps at all, git seems to use GIT_PAGER first and then falls back to
PAGER and then to `less` for the commands that use it. Perhaps nix could
respect a NIX_PAGER env var?
To me it depends on the output of the command. I love that git pages the
output of `git log` automatically but that is
Hi Paul,
No, they can't choose. I would choose to use `less` as a pager when
I need it, and otherwise I would use my terminal. I can't make that
choice without corrupting the PAGER variable (which I use for other
things!).
I'm not a fan of using less for nix tools. But it seems you're
Hi Michael,
I know; I was answering the question of why it is a problem to choose
a single PAGER value.
Sorry, I'm still getting used to my new mail setup. =)
nix-env --list-generations
I use ls instead of this command.
That's actually a good idea, thanks.
Well, systemd is
Hi,
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Ertugrul Söylemez ert...@gmx.de wrote:
No, they can't choose. I would choose to use `less` as a pager when I
need it, and otherwise I would use my terminal. I can't make that
choice without corrupting the PAGER variable (which I use for other
things!).
My 2c: if Nix offers a way to disable the pager then I'd rather see 1% of
users for such needs to make the bash alias instead of the other way around.
On 2 Jan 2015 02:36, Ertugrul Söylemez ert...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi everybody,
since Nix 1.8 much of the output of nix commands is piped through
Hi Bjørn,
Hm, I've never thought of automatic less as a misfeature before. I
didn't have anything to do with its inclusion in nix, but I remember
when I started using git that I was pleasantly surprised by it's use
of less, which made git more fun to work with. (If I was a nix
developer I
Forgot the list...
On 02/01/2015 9:36 am, Ertugrul Söylemez ert...@gmx.de wrote:
Feature request 1: Please do your part in saving the software world and
remove this anti-feature. Don't even consider making it optional. It's
useless. Remove it. In the future, whenever you think that
On 2 January 2015 at 14:01, Ertugrul Söylemez ert...@gmx.de wrote:
[...]
Of course all of this is my personal opinion. If the majority of the
community disagrees, then I will have to live with it. I have opened
this thread because I think that many people will actually agree.
Hm, I've never
On 2 January 2015 at 14:21, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
So what's the best way forward? Using $NIX_PAGER first, as suggested
by Michael Jones earlier in this thread? That should cover your use
case, right? (_And_ preserve the current behaviour for people liking
it interactive?
Just in
Hi Domen,
My 2c: if Nix offers a way to disable the pager then I'd rather see 1% of
users for such needs to make the bash alias instead of the other way around.
why do you insist on an interactive-by-default Nix? There should be an
interactive frontend, something like an interactive nox.
Hi,
On 02/01/15 12:57, Michael Jones wrote:
If it helps at all, git seems to use GIT_PAGER first and then falls back to
PAGER and then to `less` for the commands that use it. Perhaps nix could
respect
a NIX_PAGER env var?
I've implemented this now, with the same semantics as GIT_PAGER and
Hi Eelco,
There is a very good reason for this principle. If a program does
more than what it's intended to do, then it hurts composability.
There shouldn't be an issue with composability here, because Nix will
only run the pager when stdout is a terminal. So things work fine if
you pipe
Hi Eelco,
If it helps at all, git seems to use GIT_PAGER first and then falls
back to PAGER and then to `less` for the commands that use
it. Perhaps nix could respect a NIX_PAGER env var?
I've implemented this now, with the same semantics as GIT_PAGER and
SYSTEMD_PAGER.
Thanks a lot!
What
Hi,
On 02/01/15 14:49, Ertugrul Söylemez wrote:
There is a very good reason for this principle. If a program does more
than what it's intended to do, then it hurts composability.
There shouldn't be an issue with composability here, because Nix will only run
the pager when stdout is a
I agree with this. I have `less` configured to restore the screen at
termination
(via smcup/rmcup), which is a bit annoying if I want to keep the results
around.
I'd rather be explicit about opting-in to the pager being used (with `|
less`)
rather than opting-out (with `| cat`).
I also have to
Hi everybody,
since Nix 1.8 much of the output of nix commands is piped through
`less`, which is certainly meant to be a convenience, but that
convenience depends on a few assumptions:
* the user uses a crappy terminal emulator,
* the user is interested in all of the output,
* the user
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