Re: does anyone use nmh's Google OAuth mechanism?

2022-09-10 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 18:48:40 -0700 David Levine sez: > Bob wrote: > > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2022 06:29:32 -0700 David Levine sez: > > > > > > OAuth can also be used to send. It would be enabled using these nmh > > > send(1)/post(8) switches: > > > -saslmech xoauth2 -authservice gmail > > > > >

Re: does anyone use nmh's Google OAuth mechanism?

2022-09-09 Thread Bob Carragher
On Thu, 08 Sep 2022 06:29:32 -0700 David Levine sez: > Michael wrote: > > > David Levine wrote: > > > If you use nmh's mhlogin(1) to login to Gmail, then you > > > use nmh's Google OAuth mechanism. Please let me know > > > if you use it. > > > > I try do, but I think that I fell

Re: Surprising MIME Type from Android.

2022-07-25 Thread Bob Carragher
Hi Ralph, Checking email going back to 2013, I could not find a single occurrence of that pattern. Bob On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 10:28:52 +0100 Ralph Corderoy sez: > Hi again, > > > I ran mhstore(1) and was surprised by the ‘81081.2.*’ filename. > ... > > 2

Re: In Memoriam: Norman Z. Shapiro 1932-2021

2022-01-30 Thread Bob Carragher
This sounds like a wonderful gesture, and I would like to help out if I can. Bob On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 07:14:08 -0800 David Levine sez: > Conrad wrote: > > > > Two thoughts... Should we send condolences back to David, > > > not the announce list, highlighting the

Re: Message header formatting

2021-06-07 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 10:22:38 -0700 Jon Steinhart sez: > Ken Hornstein writes: > > >Out of curiosity, then what is the value of "extras?" Was there > > >a time it provided value, before header content exploded? > > > > Well, I don't mean to crap on anyone, Robert Elz in particular, but > > you

Re: Message header formatting

2021-06-06 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 19:35:40 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >> Brilliant idea! I too would use an inverse match logic. Shorter rules, > >> easier to apply, probably faster. > >> > >> G > > > >I guess that I should interpret that as no, there isn't such an incantation > >but since I brought it up

Re: Very large folder

2021-06-06 Thread Bob Carragher
Hi Norm, On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 22:58:38 +0100 Ralph Corderoy sez: > Given those 1,702 messages are precious, you may want to pick them > and refile them to a dedicated folder. You could use ‘refile -link > +newfolder ...’ to keep them in +gone and just create hard links to the > new folder's

Re: Bug reported regarding Unicode handling in email address

2021-06-03 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 17:47:42 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >It's early morning for me, and I'm still at least a liter of Diet Mountain > >Dew > >away from being sufficiently caffeinated to be positive, but that looks like > >"not totally correct, but a lot closer than what we have now". > > > >In

Re: displaying Date using local timezone

2021-05-04 Thread Bob Carragher
Sounds about right. B-) -- Bob On Mon, 03 May 2021 17:27:25 -0400 Steven Winikoff sez: > >I had an inkling that it might be bad for NMH to try to handle > >DST calculations on its own; > > Tom Scott would agree: > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY > > This is probably the best

Re: displaying Date using local timezone

2021-05-03 Thread Bob Carragher
On Mon, 03 May 2021 09:30:46 +0100 Ralph Corderoy sez: > Hi Bob, Hi Ralph, This time you're not giving me happy-useful news. B-D > > > $ TZ=Australia/Lord_Howe date -d '01 Aug' > > > 2021-08-01 00:00:00 +1030 Sun > > > $ TZ=Australia/Lord_Howe date -d '01 Feb' > > >

Re: displaying Date using local timezone

2021-05-02 Thread Bob Carragher
Wat. -_-## Why?! I can see some localities deciding that having their time zone not be an integer number of hours offset can be more representative or useful for them, but why mess with the DST offset, too? At this rate, they might as well just create a server that calculates the sun's

Re: check if message is in a particular sequence?

2021-05-02 Thread Bob Carragher
I don't know about others, Ralph, but I would prefer you don't shut up soon. B-) This is how I learn (or am reminded) about all kinds of features of awk/sed/bash/etc. -- in addition to NMH stuff I never knew since I'm such a "basic" user -- and I really appreciate the (perhaps unintended)

Re: check if message is in a particular sequence?

2021-05-01 Thread Bob Carragher
Ah, thanks, Ralph! So, if in one's use case one typically makes use of the output of mark(1mh) immediately, then one is fine, as it'll check for the message files' current statuses. Or, at least if one is really careful about it. That is, until you're using Paul's enhancement to mark(1mh). B-)

Re: check if message is in a particular sequence?

2021-04-29 Thread Bob Carragher
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:49:40 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >What's the fastest/easiest way to check if a particular message > >is a member of a particular sequence? > > > >I thought I'd be able to compare the message number against the output > >of "mark -list", but since sequences can be

Re: displaying Date using local timezone

2021-03-17 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:38:11 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >Oh, sure. I guess I was thinking of a more robust solution, that > >wouldn't require editing that line when my timezone changes twice a > >year. :-) > > Boy, EVERYONE's a critic :-) > > You could use the %(dst) function to do the

Re: Hiding one's email source username/hostname/ISP

2021-03-16 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:00:01 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >Right. I was hopeful that even that could be hidden. For > >example, if I use the Gmail web interface, the Received: headers > >indicate that it came from Gmail itself (which makes sense). I > >was thinking it'd be useful to replicate

Re: Hiding one's email source username/hostname/ISP

2021-03-16 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:32:07 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >Documentation is usually the last thing to receive any love ... > >if it receives much/any at all. In that vein, would it make > >sense to focus that "love" on mh-profile(5mh), and then provide > >minimal information plus a "see

Re: Hiding one's email source username/hostname/ISP

2021-03-14 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:39:18 -0500 Jerry Heyman sez: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:53:34 -0500, David Levine wrote: > > > Bob wrote: > > > > > I do see in the headers of your reply that the first "Received:" > > > header uses "HiddenHostname" ... but also the FQDM(?) of your Oops, that should've

Re: Hiding one's email source username/hostname/ISP

2021-03-14 Thread Bob Carragher
Documentation is usually the last thing to receive any love ... if it receives much/any at all. In that vein, would it make sense to focus that "love" on mh-profile(5mh), and then provide minimal information plus a "see mh-profile entry XYZ" for the man page portion of any switch that provides a

Re: Hiding one's email source username/hostname/ISP

2021-03-10 Thread Bob Carragher
Bob On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:14:44 -0500 Tom Lane sez: > Bob Carragher writes: > > In emails that I send, if you look at the Received: header chain, > > you'd find a line that resembles, > > > Received: from Hikaru (x.comcast.net. [

Hiding one's email source username/hostname/ISP

2021-03-07 Thread Bob Carragher
A bit of Ken's reply on the recent "Is nmh suitable for managing multiple email accounts?" thread got me wondering about one aspect of Tim's potential needs -- namely, is there a way to hide one's username, hostname, and even ISP in the email headers? Here's the bit from Ken's reply: On Sat, 06

Re: [PATCH] Make test-mhical pass with BSD yacc.

2020-09-22 Thread Bob Carragher
Speaking as an NMH leech-user B-), I think the NMH developers and maintainers should get to specify what the preferred development and build dependencies should be. (Which, of course, has no direct bearing on a user that's obtaining pre-built binaries via a package, like I do via Ubuntu. But it

Re: Default file processing for refile -- mv or ln?

2020-08-21 Thread Bob Carragher
Hi guys, Sorry to take so long to follow up on this! Ralph: thank you very much for this explanation! This clarified for me what was going on with -link/-nolink/-unlink (and -nounlink). And it was as you wrote (and the man page describes). I have a theory as to why it seemed like the default

Re: comp man page

2020-07-30 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:02:49 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >As a user who _barely_ uses more than the basic features of NMH, > >I was completely unaware of all this. (That is my fault, of > >course. B-) The SYNOPSIS section does not show that "-use" > >optionally takes an argument. > > Well, so,

Re: comp man page

2020-07-29 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:40:07 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >There is a nice feature for comp that I can't find in its man > >page. If the user's ~/.mh_profile has a Draft-folder: entry > >(I don't know what happens if it doesn't.) then if comp has a > >"-use" flag, comp takes on optional argument:

Default file processing for refile -- mv or ln?

2020-05-08 Thread Bob Carragher
Hello, What might make refile(1mh) apply the non-default ln(1) to refiled message files -- as if the -link switch had been specified -- instead of the default mv(1) -- as if -nolink had been specified? And only sometimes; not always. Note: I have no entry for refile(1mh) in my .mh_profile

Re: send bcc: wierdness?

2020-04-13 Thread Bob Carragher
Thank you for this explanation, Robert! I now understand a huge chunk of the -snoop output to post(1) ... that admittedly I hadn't been paying close attention to. B-) Bob P.S. and, apologies to those who explained it before, when I still wasn't paying close

Re: [nmh-workers] Handling empty components

2019-03-30 Thread Bob Carragher
Sorry to take so long to do this! I'm actually having trouble building the sources on Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver). This is clearly not impossible, since 1.7.1 is the version of the NMH package built for 18.04, but there are some odd hangups. For example, build_nmh is failing during the

Re: [nmh-workers] Handling empty components

2019-03-22 Thread Bob Carragher
Wow, thanks a lot, Ken! I won't pick up the new %(trimr) function until Ubuntu pulls in that version of NMH, so not before 20.04 (because it's the next LTS release). ... Though, if you would like me to test this (and see if I can come up with format code that is not ridiculously complex/long) to

Re: [nmh-workers] Handling empty components

2019-03-22 Thread Bob Carragher
Thanks guys for the quick reply and suggestions! Ken: yeah, I can see how messy that's going to be; alas that %(trim) indeed doesn't return its result. Although I'll probably see this again, it'd be maybe 1x/year for the next couple years. (And, who knows, maybe their IT department will fix it?

[nmh-workers] Handling empty components

2019-03-20 Thread Bob Carragher
Is there a concise way to specify "if X is not present or is just white space?" in one's replcomps? The "X" in my case is the "Reply-To" component, and I recently received for the first time ever a message that contained an _empty_ one (and that I wanted to reply to) -- i.e. From:

Re: [nmh-workers] post 1.71 ug: "long line"/single newline paragraphs

2018-05-27 Thread Bob Carragher
I'm definitely in favor of, by default, disabling anything that causes automatic external data fetches to sites I might be unaware of! Bob On Sun, 27 May 2018 10:15:29 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >> I don't know. History, probably. > >> We used

Re: [nmh-workers] post 1.71 ug: "long line"/single newline paragraphs

2018-05-26 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 25 May 2018 20:39:26 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >Count me as another one of those few people who actually uses the > >text/plain content. :-) For the most part, I don't read emails that are > >HTML only unless I absolutely have to and if there's a text/plain

Re: [Nmh-workers] What OS/Architecture Do You Run nmh On?

2018-02-13 Thread Bob Carragher
I think this would be a great idea. How much (volunteer!) time is being wasted chasing down memory leaks? If we have the resources to do so, of course (Of course, it's easy for me to say, "Go for it!" I still haven't found time to contribute even a regression test. B-)

Re: [Nmh-workers] OT: Arch Linux.

2017-08-01 Thread Bob Carragher
Hi Ralph, Thanks for all your information and explanations on Arch Linux! On Tue, 01 Aug 2017 11:40:05 +0100 Ralph Corderoy sez: > > I have a sufficiently non-standard install. Specifically, I prefer to > > use ctwm instead of any of the modern "desktops" > > Arch

Re: [Nmh-workers] Volunteer Capacity.

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:42:01 +0100 Ralph Corderoy sez: > Hi Bob, > > > (I originally intended to use 13.10 until 14.04 LTS came out. > > Laziness. B-) > > Erm, I was Ubuntu 10.10 until 2016-02-13 when this Arch Linux > took over. :-) Finding the block of time to do

Re: [Nmh-workers] Volunteer Capacity.

2017-07-23 Thread Bob Carragher
Okay, thanks guys! I'll start with at least seeing if I can get things to work for me. I'm familiar with git(1) for straightforward usage -- I'm in charge of a couple of simple projects where development is very linear (though we still use merge requests to keep folks from stomping on each

Re: [Nmh-workers] Volunteer Capacity.

2017-07-21 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:51:51 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >It's bad because nmh's source needs a lot of clean up, at > >small and large scale, due to decades of changing > >expectations, conventions, and bit rot. And tests to help > >spot regressions in doing that. > > Ralph has

Re: [Nmh-workers] %(timenow) -- does it have a purpose?

2017-06-30 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:29:57 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >Does %(timenow) have a purpose? > > Yeah, although probably not what you're thinking of. > > The idea is that you could use that in calculations against a > date header. (e.g., %(timenow) - %(clock) would give you an >

[Nmh-workers] %(timenow) -- does it have a purpose?

2017-06-29 Thread Bob Carragher
Does %(timenow) have a purpose? I was trying to create a form file for repl(1) that automatically inserts the current date, and the only function I could find for that purpose was %(timenow). Unfortunately, it returns an integer ("seconds since the UNIX epoch," according to the mh-format(5) man

Re: [Nmh-workers] scan doesn't appear to understand language encodings

2017-06-02 Thread Bob Carragher
Whoa. Mind blown. B-) Thanks for the recipe! Bob On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:45:55 -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu sez: > On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 09:19:25 -0400, Paul Fox said: > > ken wrote: > > > scan can't decode the body of a message; you get the raw text output. > > > Which is why you

Re: [Nmh-workers] Forward/backward references in mail-aliases file

2017-04-17 Thread Bob Carragher
I see it in the repo. Thanks, Ralph! -- Bob On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:30:51 +0100 Ralph Corderoy sez: > Hi Bob, > > > The example shows the correct order in defining sgroup and fred, > > though the explanation below the example is incorrect (and is > > identical to the

[Nmh-workers] Forward/backward references in mail-aliases file

2017-04-13 Thread Bob Carragher
I'm confused by this paragraph in the mh-alias(5) man page: Since the mh-alias file is read line by line, forward references work, but backward references are not recognized. Immediately below, an example is provided, part of which illustrates the referencing, partially reproduced

Re: [Nmh-workers] Format function to create wrapped header lines?

2016-09-05 Thread Bob Carragher
On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:15:03 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >FWIW, when I see a draft with References that is getting a bit > >long, I just (manually) delete all the stuff in the middle) - > >that is, leave in the oldest (one or two) and the most recent > >(one or two) and delete

Re: [Nmh-workers] Sending Binary Attachments

2016-05-13 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 13 May 2016 10:21:09 -0400 Ken Hornstein sez: > >First of all, *thanks* for the note about the 998 max. I've > >updated my .mh_profile. > > Just so we're clear ... I hope you either removed it > completely, or upgraded to 1.6 and changed it to 998. Also, I > think that

Re: [Nmh-workers] Sending Binary Attachments

2016-05-12 Thread Bob Carragher
Not sure if this is a possible heads-up or just me running an old version of MH ("comp -version" returns "comp -- nmh-1.5 [compiled on batsu at Sat Dec 1 11:08:10 UTC 2012]"), but I use a large value for -maxunencoded in my $HOME/.mh_profile to prevent MH from base64-encoding my (100% 7-bit text)

Re: [Nmh-workers] (n)mh tip of the day

2015-10-20 Thread Bob Carragher
Cool! I don't manage multiple mailboxes, but I sometimes change my "real name" in the header. For that, I've set up a bunch of commands that are basically repl -form I have a bunch of form files as well. That requires that I have a message to reply to, which is usually the case. But

Re: [Nmh-workers] (n)mh tip of the day

2015-10-20 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:56:54 +0700 Robert Elz <k...@munnari.oz.au> sez: > Date:Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:33:19 -0700 > From:Bob Carragher <dnc2...@gmail.com> > Message-ID: <5626b320.4816430a.b973e.f...@mx.google.com> > > | I don't man

Re: [Nmh-workers] Stockton Gaines

2015-10-18 Thread Bob Carragher
Thank you very much, Norman. -- Bob On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 08:40:39 -0700 n...@dad.org sez: > Bob Carragher <dnc2...@gmail.com> writes: > > > >Would it be appropriate for someone like me to send flowers? > > > >Email is pretty central in my life, and NMH

Re: [Nmh-workers] Stockton Gaines

2015-10-17 Thread Bob Carragher
Presumably this place? 15821 Sunset Blvd Pacific Palisades, CA. 90272 http://www.palipres.org/ Would it be appropriate for someone like me to send flowers? Email is pretty central in my life, and NMH has made it far easier to deal with that than any other mail client. But would

Re: [Nmh-workers] mts.conf has me Baffled.

2015-07-27 Thread Bob Carragher
[De-lurking, if only to show my lack of Bash chops. B-] On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:35:33 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: If the goal is to make nmh behave more like popular MUAs, and work independently of a properly configured MTA then, shouldn't nmh also have a queue? Well, it's not

Re: [Nmh-workers] Stanford disliking my emails -- update + question

2015-04-24 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 06:30:10 +0700 Robert Elz k...@munnari.oz.au sez: [...] I would also note that it is possible it is the mailing list exploder on nongnu,org that's doing it - detecting a To/Cc header with an address that's also on the list, and dropping that address from the list expansion.

Re: [Nmh-workers] Stanford disliking my emails -- update + question

2015-04-23 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 23:22:27 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: I think you read that a little differently than I intended - I didn't mean to imply that this would be free (just included in whatever else you get) though it sometimes is (I suspect that's rare) - they're businesses, and

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multi-homed postproc, v2

2015-03-12 Thread Bob Carragher
[Sorry, inadvertently sent an early version of this reply while testing the script!] On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:47:10 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: Hi Bob, with: for some reason, bash seems to only save C-1 characters of output, where C is the number of columns in the xterm in

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multi-homed postproc, v2

2015-03-11 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:28:37 - Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk sez: Hi Bob, scan -format '%{to},%{cc},%{bcc},%{dcc},' $draftname | grep -iq '@stanford\.edu[,]' ... apparently MH aliases are expanded *after* this script is invoked. I emailed someone that I have

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multi-homed postproc, v2

2015-03-10 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:25:30 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: I never even knew this was a possibility. I've always put the filename last. I'm definitely in favor of limiting it this way. Hopefully nobody has created a script that depends on this level of flexibility. B-) (It's

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multi-homed postproc, v2

2015-03-09 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:49:12 + Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk sez: Hi Ken, Though I still think it should be the last argument, otherwise every postproc author has to solve the same problem. I don't have strong feelings about this one; thoughts from others? Fixing it

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-09 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:56:11 -0500 David Levine levin...@acm.org sez: Bob wrote: Funnily enough I was just starting to think about how to deal with this. My first thought was to maintain 2 .mh_profile files and alias commands to set a soft link to the appropriate depending on the

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multi-homed postproc, v2

2015-03-09 Thread Bob Carragher
Thanks for the proposed localpostproc, Ken! Unfortunately, I don't think I can use it, due to a lack of a looping mechanism -- or, at least, a there-exists mechanism. I need something that checks the recipients' host(s), which means potentially checking more than 1 string. The pseudo-code would

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multi-homed postproc, v2

2015-03-09 Thread Bob Carragher
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 22:47:34 -0500 David Levine levin...@acm.org sez: Ken wrote: Have the interface to post(8), and thus postproc, include the `file' parameter as an environment variable as well. True, this means post has two places to get the data, but it also keeps simple filter

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-05 Thread Bob Carragher
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:41:30 -0500 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: My current theory is that my email address is now strongly associated with spam, or at least suspicious email, and so any email I send there has a high base score. That, to me, does not explain why your email was being

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-02 Thread Bob Carragher
The saga is not yet over. One domain in particular, @stanford.edu, is now tagging my emails even more strongly as spam. I'm seeing replies from folks there with the Subject: line changed to: Re: [SPAM:#] original-subject with the number of #s indicating how strongly the tagging is.

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-02 Thread Bob Carragher
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:57:10 -0500 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: Re: [SPAM:#] original-subject with the number of #s indicating how strongly the tagging is. (This had happened previously, but the number of #s never exceeded 3.) Also, their list servers are now silently

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-02 Thread Bob Carragher
/128); Sun, 01 Mar 2015 14:04:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: Bob Carragher dnc2...@gmail.com dnc2...@gmail.com Originator: Bob Carragher dnc2...@gmail.com dnc2...@gmail.com To: x...@stanford.edu x...@stanford.edu Cc: y...@gmail.com y

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-01 Thread Bob Carragher
[Just the spacing bit. B-] On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:19:06 + Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk sez: Interesting observation. I've always found it to be the opposite and you're actually the first to have mentioned it. At least for me, I find that having the text wrapped at odd

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-03-01 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 08:35:02 -0500 David Levine levin...@acm.org sez: Bob wrote: [Ken:] If your mts.conf has a setting of sendmail/smtp or sendmail/pipe for mts, you can temporarily override that via the -mts switch (you want smtp for the MTS). What program do I use -mts with?

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-02-28 Thread Bob Carragher
Apologies to Ken and others who replied to this a week ago! Last week turned into a very busy week for me. B-( Also, I posted this using Ken's suggestion of send(1) below, while connected to a different ISP than mine (Comcast), so ... success!! Thank you for this much, Ken!!! On Sat, 21 Feb

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-02-28 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:53:41 + Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk sez: Hi Bob, Here are the (I think) relevant bits of my sendmail.mc file: FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl FEATURE(`genericstable')dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN(`localhost.localdomain')dnl

Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-02-21 Thread Bob Carragher
[Note: this email is being sent directly from the GMail web client, so its header should be correct and not spammy.] On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:58:21 -0500 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: As you can probably see from this message's header, my nominal email provider is Google (@gmail.com) but

[Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-02-19 Thread Bob Carragher
(I apologize if this has already been answered, or because this is a more general, non-NMH-specific problem. I'm guessing that others on this list have encountered and solved this before.) Emails that I send are starting to be tagged as spam or potential spam more frequently these days. (This

Re: [Nmh-workers] .mh_profile question

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Carragher
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 22:08:54 -0500 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: Maybe someone can see what I'm doing stupidly here as I'm going blind. I have some folders that have ? messages that I don't want to break up, so I want to go to a 5 digit message number in scan Others have already

Re: [Nmh-workers] Back to Dates

2015-01-03 Thread Bob Carragher
Thank you very much, Ken, both for this nice recipe and the detailed explanation of the code! It actually cleared up a couple of misconceptions I had! It has also helped make a monster of my Date: field. For example, I now generate the following when viewing this message: Date: Thu,

Re: [Nmh-workers] date math -- format help???

2014-12-18 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:53:07 -0500 David Levine levin...@acm.org sez: Bob wrote: By the way, there seems to be a formatting bug with zone when specifying wide fields with leading zeros. For example, if you specify the Date: field this way

Re: [Nmh-workers] date math -- format help???

2014-12-16 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:37:59 -0500 David Levine levin...@acm.org sez: Bob wrote: I'm on the US west coast, so the local time (in parentheses) should be -0800 (not -480). Can someone explain why this happens? That's working as intended, per mh-format(5): zone dateinteger

Re: [Nmh-workers] date math -- format help???

2014-12-16 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:24:30 -0500 David Levine levin...@acm.org sez: Bob wrote: Ah, okay, that works! My man page is for the older NMH 1.5, and says something critically different at this point: zone date integer timezone in hours tzone date string timezone string

Re: [Nmh-workers] modernizing smtp message submission

2014-07-09 Thread Bob Carragher
On 7 July 2014 at 19:32, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.cawrote: Here's a survey: 1) How many people customize mts.conf for mail submission? I do not. I didn't even know mts.conf existed until joining this mailing list. B-) 2) How many customize that back-end agent? Not ... *really*.

Re: [Nmh-workers] Replying ... but not to me too

2014-03-26 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:09:15 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: The (UW) Alpine equivalent is the 'alt-adresses' construct. BSD Mail and SysV mailx both had equivalent settings as I recall. Sigh. My only point was ... if b...@local.host.name is not, in fact, a valid email address

Re: [Nmh-workers] Replying ... but not to me too

2014-03-26 Thread Bob Carragher
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:27:15 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: Sigh. My only point was ... if b...@local.host.name is not, in fact, a valid email address for you, you'd be better served by changing Local-Mailbox. It does more things (things you'd likely want) than

[Nmh-workers] Replying ... but not to me too

2014-03-25 Thread Bob Carragher
I think I have a very simple problem, but I've never been able to solve it. I want to prevent my public email address from being included by repl. I use (as you can see in this message's header) the public email address dnc2...@gmail.com but on my computer it is computed as something different

Re: [Nmh-workers] Replying ... but not to me too

2014-03-25 Thread Bob Carragher
Bingo! I *knew* it was something simple! (I wonder what else in mh-profile I've not been using, but should have been, all these years?) Thanks a lot!!! Bob On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:10:43 -0700 Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca sez: See the Alternate-Mailboxes

Re: [Nmh-workers] Replying ... but not to me too

2014-03-25 Thread Bob Carragher
I did ... about 2 decades ago. B-) (I didn't need this option back then.) Seems like it's time to read them again. B-) Bob On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:46:11 -0700 Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca sez: On Mar 25, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Bob Carragher dnc2...@gmail.com

Re: [Nmh-workers] Replying ... but not to me too

2014-03-25 Thread Bob Carragher
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:27:44 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com sez: I think I have a very simple problem, but I've never been able to solve it. I want to prevent my public email address from being included by repl. What version of nmh? It matters. Lyndon's reply solved my problem, but

Re: [Nmh-workers] Setup help???

2013-05-04 Thread Bob Carragher
On Fri, 03 May 2013 18:21:42 -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 03 May 2013 14:54:39 -0700, Bob Carragher said: Hmm, as in inc will do the fetching for me (so that I won't need to use fetchmail anymore)? Oh wow, it does! (It's been a long time since I read the man page

Re: [Nmh-workers] Setup help???

2013-05-04 Thread Bob Carragher
On Sat, 04 May 2013 10:21:26 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com wrote: I'd never heard of cyrus-sasl before, but I'd been installing openssl for awhile (I forget why). Yeah, come to think of it, MH was never a reason I became tired of maintaining dependencies. B-) Cyrus-sasl is a package

Re: [Nmh-workers] Setup help???

2013-05-03 Thread Bob Carragher
On Thu, 02 May 2013 21:52:08 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com wrote: My apologies! It's version 1.3-1 (pretty ancient, I guess, but that's what's tied to my version of Ubuntu -- something else I need to update). Okay, yeah, that explains a lot. There are some other features in nmh 1.5

Re: [Nmh-workers] Setup help???

2013-05-02 Thread Bob Carragher
Thanks for the reply, Jerrad! I had looked through that before, and tried several of the options, but none of them worked. The problem was always with sendmail. Even when I used the draft_from option with the masquerade directive, sendmail would insert the dreaded X-Authentication-Warning:

Re: [Nmh-workers] Setup help???

2013-05-02 Thread Bob Carragher
Thanks for the response, Ken! On Thu, 02 May 2013 08:56:03 -0400 Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com wrote: First off ... you didn't mention a crucial piece of information: the version of nmh you're running. My apologies! It's version 1.3-1 (pretty ancient, I guess, but that's what's tied to my

[Nmh-workers] Setup help???

2013-05-01 Thread Bob Carragher
Can someone please point me to resources or provide a simple How-To for configuring NMH (and related systems, like sendmail)? My setup: * Laptop running (Ubuntu 10.04) Linux. * My public address is dnc2...@gmail.com. -- I want all my email to appear to come from this address. I have