RE: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Serge Guzy
This can be done automatically using either SADAPT or PDX-MC-PEM. Both programs will give you also at the end an output summary (bias, imprecision, etc...) Serge -Original Message- From: owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] On Behalf Of Leonid Gibiansky Sent:

RE: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Serge Guzy
Do you bootstrap the individual patients X times and then fit the model to these new datasets or do you simulate datasets based on the final population characteristics you already established? Both options are also automated in the PDX-MC-PEM program and I think also in SADAPT. Best Serge ___

RE: [NMusers] Population predictions vs individual predictions

2009-02-06 Thread Serge Guzy
When you perform a population analysis, the program returns the population means as well as the individual parameter estimates (mode of the individual conditional distributions). If you plug the population means values into your model and for each patient, you will get back the population predicted

[NMusers] Population predictions vs individual predictions

2009-02-06 Thread Hudachek,Susan
Greetings! I am looking for a clarification/explaination of the difference between population-predicted values (say for concentration) and individual-predicted values. Thank you to anyone who can provide this! Susan Hudachek, M.S., Ph.D. Animal Cancer Center Veterinary Teaching Hospital Colorado

Re: Betr.: Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Ethan Wu
Hi Robm   the simulatio step runs fine as I checked by using SIMONLY   the termination says "0PROGRAM TERMINATED BY OBJ ERROR IN NCONTR WITH INDIVIDUAL 16 ID=0.1600E+02 NUMERICAL HESSIAN OF OBJ. FUNC. FOR COMPUTING CONDITIONAL ESTIMATE IS NON POSITIVE DEFINITE MESSAGE ISSUED FROM ESTIMATION ST

RE: [NMusers] Lag-time on nmusers distribution

2009-02-06 Thread Bachman, William
The "distribution lag" is not a function of ICON Development Solutions. It is a function of several issues, the foremost of which are net traffic and timing and corporate/net provider processing. Messages sent before 8am US Eastern time can be distributed relatively quickly. Those sent in the mid

Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Ethan Wu
Dear Martin and Elodie and others,   Thanks for pointing out this nice function of PsN--  I think I will give it a try this time.    From: Martin Bergstrand To: Sebastian Ueckert ; Ethan Wu Cc: nmusers@globomaxnm.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 5:52:09

RE: [NMusers] Fw: Spam Submission Received

2009-02-06 Thread Bachman, William
This is not from nmusers. One of the list recipients (or the company hosting his or her mail) is treating nmusers messages as spam. From: owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] On Behalf Of Ethan Wu Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:

Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Rob ter Heine
Hi Ethan, If think you get the message "message issued from estimation step" you still have the $ESTIMATION block in your control stream, although you're using SIMONLY option. Try removing the $ESTIMATION block and try again. Perhaps you could post your control stream as well? Sincerely, Rob

RE: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Gibiansky, Ekaterina
Yes, it is fixed in Nonmem VII. Katya -- Ekaterina Gibiansky Senior Director, PKPD, Modeling & Simulation ICON Development Solutions ekaterina.gibian...@iconplc.com -Original Message- From: owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] On Be

[NMusers] Lag-time on nmusers distribution

2009-02-06 Thread Ribbing, Jakob
Dear all, My apologies for sending redundant messages. The reason this often happens is a distribution lag of about half an hour* (at least for me). By the time the message reaches other nmusers it is already obsolete because someone else answered before. Is there any way that Globomax can incr

Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Nick Holford
Hi, I dont understand why this wasn't fixed in NONMEM VI. It was a well known bug in NONMEM V and has caused lots of grief for users. I hope the NONMEM VII developers have got this high on their list of NONMEM bugs that need to be fixed. Nick Dear users, I am trying to compare several s

Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Gastonguay, Marc
Ethan, As Leonid suggests, you may want to control NONMEM runs using an external tool and an INFN routine for extraction of results. MIfuns, an open-source R package, provides functions for this sort of automation. Template INFN codes are provided as well. It's a free download: http://met

RE: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Martin Bergstrand
Dear all, PsN is useful tool for this purpose but I think that the functionality that should be used is called "Stochastic Simulation and Estimation (SSE)". The Bootstrap functionality is primarily used for obtaining parameter uncertainties. A detailed userguide for the SSE functionality is

Betr.: Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Rob ter Heine
Dear Ethan, Have you tried removing the $ESTIMATION step and replace all values with your final estimations? What does your result file say after termination? Sincerely Rob >>> Sebastian Ueckert 02/06/09 10:51 >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Ethan Wu wrote: > Dear users, > I am t

RE: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Ribbing, Jakob
Ethan, Sebastian is right that a non-parametric bootstrap may be suitable for determining the uncertainty in the population parameters. However, I got the impression that you wanted to investigate possible study designs on how informative they are for a future model-based analysis? If you would

RE: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Elodie Plan
Dear Ethan, Perl-speaks-NONMEM (PsN) is a free program developed by Uppsala Research Pharmacometrics group. We recently added a module performing Stochastic Simulations followed by re-Estimations (SSE). The purpose is to investigate aspects related to simulation or estimation methods, models, s

Re: [NMusers] simulation question

2009-02-06 Thread Sebastian Ueckert
Dear Ethan, the simplest solution to solve your problem would be to use the bootstrap command of PSN (http://psn.sourceforge.net/). With PSN installed you would simply do: bootstrap final_model.mod -samples=200 PSN would take care of unsuccessful runs and provide a nice summary of the individual