Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Stephen Belanger
Aisle 3, behind the WebOS devices. On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Luke Arduini wrote: > I would like to buy one node core developer team for cheap, please. Where can > I purchase these programmers? > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Stephen Belanger wrote: > > > > The only scenario I

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Luke Arduini
I would like to buy one node core developer team for cheap, please. Where can I purchase these programmers? On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Stephen Belanger wrote: > > > The only scenario I can think of being at all possible is that somehow > Joyent manages to screw up and go bankrupt, then someone

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Stephen Belanger
Very well put, Isaac. I think eventually someone will come along that wants to buy it and put it in a foundation. I don’t think Joyent would let it go for cheap though. The only scenario I can think of being at all possible is that somehow Joyent manages to screw up and go bankrupt, then someon

[nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread George Snelling
Are there any more questions about leadership? On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:24:02 AM UTC-8, Darren DeRidder wrote: > > Be it proposed that the community of Node.JS users and supporters will be > better served by moving the Node.JS project and its affiliated trade marks > and copyrights under t

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Isaac Schlueter
Issac, > We think it hurts Node.js adoption for it to be perceived to be owned by Joyent. That's a bold claim to make of the platform that is *still* growing faster in adoption than any platform in history. Can you back it up with data? Where SHOULD Node.js be adopted? Please be specific. Nam

Re: [nodejs] Re: Ben Noordhuis's Departure

2013-12-03 Thread Stephen Belanger
It’s very sad to see Ben go. His contributions to node, and especially libuv, have been substantial. He leaves a large hole that will be difficult to fill. Thank you Ben, for making node so great! :) On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Chris O'Hara wrote: > Congratulations to Joyent an

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Mikeal Rogers
Just a few things. When you want to comment in regard to Bryan Cantrill's post on behalf of Joyent it doesn't make you sound more definitive to state your opinion as some sort of overwhelming consensus when it is not. I agreed with Bryan and have nothing to do with Joyent. Many others feel the

[nodejs] Re: Ben Noordhuis's Departure

2013-12-03 Thread Chris O'Hara
Congratulations to Joyent and the community for pushing a great developer away. On another note, thanks for all your hard work Ben. We wouldn't be where we are without you. On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:36:07 PM UTC+11, Isaac Schlueter wrote: > > As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has de

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Darren DeRidder
To clarify, Brett, in reference to the first article, the "old timers" around here who followed this issue as it unfolded will probably realize it involves underlying friction between developers at two different companies coming to the surface. The response of Bryan C., publicly calling for the

[nodejs] Ben Noordhuis's Departure

2013-12-03 Thread Isaac Schlueter
As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has decided to step away from Node.js and libuv, and is no longer acting as a core committer. Ben has done a tremendous amount of great work in the past. We're sad to lose the benefit of his continued hard work and expertise, and extremely grateful for what h

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread // ravi
On Dec 3, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Matt wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, // ravi wrote: > I readily admit mine may be a minority view, > > FWIW I don't think it is - the very vocal majority appears to support > Joyent's blog post and actions here, and maintaining this status quo. Those > of

Re: [nodejs] twoside.js is released.

2013-12-03 Thread Дмитрий Карпич
I'm really dont see why this solution better than dosen other. You write in docs - "wrap module" - looks like bad idia. How I can use node.js (server-side) tests? Actually I use my own solution for CJS -> browser compilling and its not 'lite & simply' just becouse its hard :-) -- -- Job Board

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Matt
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, // ravi wrote: > I readily admit mine may be a minority view, > FWIW I don't think it is - the very vocal majority appears to support Joyent's blog post and actions here, and maintaining this status quo. Those of us who think Joyent's actions were unfortunate (to

Re: [nodejs] twoside.js is released.

2013-12-03 Thread Simeon Chaos
Just simpler, smaller. It's only one file about 1.4kb. Require.js and sea.js target the client side javascript moularization, but do not access how to make module to be used in both side. Browserify traverses the ast of javascript and comile to a new generated file for client side use. So maybe t

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread // ravi
On Dec 3, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Issac Roth wrote: > This is Issac (the bald one) from StrongLoop. We're active sponsors of the > Node.js project in core, modules, meetups, evangelism, etc, but not in any > kind of leadership way like Joyent. > > We think Node.js should move to a foundation. (Eclips

[nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Luke Arduini
Paraphrasing your response: Fear: what happens if Joyent is acquired and the new evil owner of Node takes the project in a terrible direction? Uncertainty: companies might not adopt Node if it continues under the stewardship of a for-profit company. Where does that leave the future of the users?

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Nuno Job
Joyents actions last week weakened the perception of nodejs. This makes it harder to continue the growth we had so far. Right when we are "crossing the chasm" and showing its a viable piece of technology for more traditional companies. This makes our work harder and made everyone's contributions le

[nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Issac Roth
This is Issac (the bald one) from StrongLoop. We're active sponsors of the Node.js project in core, modules, meetups, evangelism, etc, but not in any kind of leadership way like Joyent. We think Node.js should move to a foundation. (Eclipse or Mozilla, not Apache.) We think it hurts Node.js ado

Re: [nodejs] twoside.js is released.

2013-12-03 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Dec 3, 2013, at 16:31, Simeon Chaos wrote: > twoside.js can make module to be used in both server side and client side. > Just ·npm install twoside·, and then copy twoside.js to your folder. > See https://github.com/chaosim/twoside and https://npmjs.org/package/twoside > for more information.

[nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Gagle
Lol, it can't be possible. I really want to say my most sincerely opinion but I'll probably be banned from the earth. It can be summarized with: Joyent, what a shame of company. -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posti

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Matt
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Scott González wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Matt wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Scott González >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Matt wrote: >>> It would mean that Joyent as a company is insulated from Node communit

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Gagle
Lol, it can't be possible. I really want to say my most sincerely opinion but I'll probably be banned from the earth. It can be resumed with: Joyent, what a shame of company. -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-

[nodejs] twoside.js is released.

2013-12-03 Thread Simeon Chaos
twoside.js can make module to be used in both server side and client side. Just ·npm install twoside·, and then copy twoside.js to your folder. See https://github.com/chaosim/twoside and https://npmjs.org/package/twoside for more information. -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting gui

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread // ravi
On Dec 3, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Forrest L Norvell wrote: > Not seconded. > > There's an argument to made to remove single stewardship from Node *at all* > and to move it under a truly free license (such as GPLv2), but I think that > ship has sailed. I agree on both counts. My 2 cents: ASF is a

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Scott González
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Matt wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Scott González > wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Matt wrote: >> >>> It would mean that Joyent as a company is insulated from Node community >>> issues like this one, and that would be a very good thing.

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Matt
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Scott González wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Matt wrote: > >> It would mean that Joyent as a company is insulated from Node community >> issues like this one, and that would be a very good thing. >> > > Good for who? If Joyent is concerned, they can take

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Scott González
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Matt wrote: > It would mean that Joyent as a company is insulated from Node community > issues like this one, and that would be a very good thing. > Good for who? If Joyent is concerned, they can take the action of creating a foundation. I don't think the communit

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Rick Waldron
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote: > I wrote about this in greater detail: > > https://gist.github.com/mikeal/7738226 > > A foundation can't help us deal with these issues with regard to the > explosion in users and ecosystem, it could only attempt to alter the > process around c

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Matt
> it could only attempt to alter the process around core which is not a very important issue I don't think that's the *only* thing it could do, in fact I doubt it would do that at all. Though yes, the ASF would do that, which is why I don't like the ASF. It would mean that Joyent as a company is

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Mikeal Rogers
I wrote about this in greater detail: https://gist.github.com/mikeal/7738226 A foundation can't help us deal with these issues with regard to the explosion in users and ecosystem, it could only attempt to alter the process around core which is not a very important issue. -Mikeal On Dec 3, 201

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Laurent Fortin
If a Node.js foundation could mitigate tensions, help communication inside the Node.js community and drive the project, wouldn't it worth the cost? -L On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 13:49:43 UTC-5, Stephen Belanger wrote: > > That seems like a good idea until you see the mountain of paperwork an

Re: [nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Stephen Belanger
That seems like a good idea until you see the mountain of paperwork and money required. Foundations are hard. On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Laurent Fortin wrote: > Why not a Node.js foundation? > > > https://twitter.com/mariocasciaro/status/406948487905804288 > > > > > On Tuesd

[nodejs] Re: node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Laurent Fortin
Why not a Node.js foundation? https://twitter.com/mariocasciaro/status/406948487905804288 On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 12:24:02 UTC-5, Darren DeRidder wrote: > > Be it proposed that the community of Node.JS users and supporters will be > better served by moving the Node.JS project and its aff

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Matt
Losing Ben, even if it ends up being just for a short time, is a huge loss to this project [*], and the StrongLoop writeup on it makes an extremely strong point: this was an opportunity for communication and education, not name calling to try and save face to a lynch mob. I agree with the premise

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Forrest L Norvell
Not seconded. There's an argument to made to remove single stewardship from Node *at all* and to move it under a truly free license (such as GPLv2), but I think that ship has sailed. Joyent has been a responsible steward of Node's trademarks and otherwise has left it alone to develop as it will. I

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Brett Ritter
Can't say I follow your logic. The article you cite discusses a disagreement on the value of a patch between the Node owners/massive contributors and a significant contributor. Based on this Node should move to a new owner? Regardless of which side of the disagreement one falls on, I'm not seein

Re: [nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Joshua Holbrook
Disagree. Joyent holds it down, and ASF is where software projects go to collect dust. --Josh On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Darren DeRidder wrote: > Be it proposed that the community of Node.JS users and supporters will be > better served by moving the Node.JS project and its affiliated trad

[nodejs] node.js needs a new home

2013-12-03 Thread Darren DeRidder
Be it proposed that the community of Node.JS users and supporters will be better served by moving the Node.JS project and its affiliated trade marks and copyrights under the control of the Apache Software Foundation. Refer to http://gigaom.com/2013/12/02/slap-fight-in-node-js-land/ and to the m

[nodejs] Re: When a writable stream fails, the readable stream ceases emitting data. Explain me how.

2013-12-03 Thread Gagle
Forget it. Please fix the extremly bad documentation. Right now, very few people know how to implement and use the streams correctly. -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message beca

[nodejs] Re: When a writable stream fails, the readable stream ceases emitting data. Explain me how.

2013-12-03 Thread greelgorke
it makes sense, that the Readable implementation gets not error notification. Why should it. It's in the domain of the code, which does r.pipe(w) to handle the errored state, the readable stream itself can't know what is the right error reaction. Am Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013 14:32:59 UTC+1 sch

[nodejs] When a writable stream fails, the readable stream ceases emitting data. Explain me how.

2013-12-03 Thread Gagle
I have a writable stream piped into a readable stream. The writable stream at some point fails and emits an error. Me, as a readable stream implementor, how am I supposed to handle this situation? Do I receive any event from the writable stream? I have this example that shows what I'm trying to

Re: [nodejs] Re: [ANN] Introducing Bud, A build tool for humans!

2013-12-03 Thread Azer Koçulu
@Vladimir I don't understand that exactly @Fedor Do you use NPM? On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Fedor Indutny wrote: > Heya! > > Its quite interesting to see you naming your project "bud", since I've > just released a TLS terminator with the same name: > https://github.com/indutny/bud . Hehe,

Re: [nodejs] Node.js support for Exporting excel and Database

2013-12-03 Thread Richard Marr
Hi Syed, You don't need anything special to export Excel files, you just need the same web server and templating modules that you use to serve HTML. Set a Content-Disposition header in your response, and output an HTML3 document containing just a table, then Excel will be a happy bunny. e.g. Co

Re: [nodejs] Re: [ANN] Introducing Bud, A build tool for humans!

2013-12-03 Thread Fedor Indutny
Heya! Its quite interesting to see you naming your project "bud", since I've just released a TLS terminator with the same name: https://github.com/indutny/bud . Hehe, but thumbs up for it! Looking quite promising. Cheers, Fedor. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Vladimir Varankin wrote: > Nice p

[nodejs] Re: [ANN] Introducing Bud, A build tool for humans!

2013-12-03 Thread Vladimir Varankin
Nice project, it looks very clean and much easier than Make, but still very familiar. Are there any examples of task-generation during execution. Imaging, that you run a chain of tasks A → B. So during "B" node execution, you decide, than "A" couldn't be managed without another node "C", so the

Re: [nodejs] ipv6 in http.get requests

2013-12-03 Thread Gabriel Falkenberg
Sorry for reviving this old thread but I just spend alot of time tracking down a performance issue that was caused by the same problem as below. Dns lookups were slow since they were being made for both ipv4 and ipv6 and a particular domain's ipv6 address couldn't be found and therefor was not