Re: [NTG-context] Setting up protrusion, side-effects

2010-07-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 28.07.10 02:31, schrieb Martin Althoff: When setting up protrusion, I noticed it "disappearing" despite being defined/setup. In a text, when I changed the font from Palatino to Sabon (with \setupbodyfont[sabon]), protrusion stopped working. Changing back to palatino, with nothing else chan

[NTG-context] relative size of symbols

2010-07-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Hi ho, I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in comparison to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now some font feature is handled different.) I know only the scaling options in type scripts, but how can I scale my glyphs in this setup? (minimals, latest beta

Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols

2010-07-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 28.07.10 09:27, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Hi ho, I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in comparison to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now some font feature is handled different.) I know only the scaling options in type scripts, but how can I scale m

[NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Stephens
Hello all, What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost in MKIV, please? I have the following code: \definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]} \starttext \startMPpage input mp-tool; draw fullcircle scaled 5cm; label(\sometxt[mplabel]{One\\Two}, (0,0));

Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV

2010-07-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 28.07.10 10:03, schrieb Richard Stephens: Hello all, What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost in MKIV, please? I have the following code: \definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]} \starttext \startMPpage input mp-tool; draw fullcircle scale

Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols

2010-07-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2010-07-28 um 09:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 28.07.10 09:27, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in comparison to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now some font feature is handled different.) I know only the scaling opt

Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols

2010-07-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 28.07.10 10:16, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2010-07-28 um 09:47 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 28.07.10 09:27, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: I need some symbols from a font, but they are too small in comparison to my text font. (It used to look right once, maybe now some font feature is

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
> Can you show me a example where simplefonts is so slow. Sure, here goes. I should say, most of my documents are 1-5 pages and build time is usually under 5 seconds (2nd and higher runs). One (relatively) slow use of simplefonts is the Chinese example (1) below. The way I pasted it, it runs

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> Standing corrected, the impact using eg. CharisSIL for phonetic/IPA symbols > the impact is much less: eg. a jump from 2.8 to 4.8 seconds in Example (2) > given below. The impact of 2 seconds is bearable! Then it must simply be the font. Whatever the amount of text you typeset using that fo

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 11:08, Martin Althoff wrote: One (relatively) slow use of simplefonts is the Chinese example (1) below. The way I pasted it, it runs just under 13 seconds on 2nd and consecutive runs. Not using the adobe but eg the ht series is a whee faster. cjk fonts are huge ... are you using

Re: [NTG-context] Setting up protrusion, side-effects

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
> Fonts are sometimes special and when ypu load a font it's > setting (e.g. ligatures, protrusion etc.) are frozen. To change the > settings you need \definefontfeature before \setupbodyfont, OK, got it. Makes sense! Could this also be extended to \switchtobodyfont, in case I am using more then

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2010-07-28 um 01:10 schrieb Marcin Borkowski: BTW, I know of at least two derogatory terms concerning my nation: "Polak" (which is exactly what a Polish man is called in Polish) is considered rude in the US, and "polnische Wirtchaft" is very derogatory in German. I have to admit that I am not

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisał(a): >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > what an interesting discussion! >> > >> > My personal point of view is that the so

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
> cjk fonts are huge ... are you using a slow machine with > not that much memory? Hi Hans, well, slow is kind of right: MacBook 2GHz Core Duo (first series of MacBooks), but 2GB of RAM is something I would think to be ok. For the Chinese example I see: mkiv lua stats : current memory usage

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 28-7-2010 1:12, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> >> Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisał(a): >>> >>> I usually flip a coin to choose between "he" and "she" before I start >>> a document, and stick with it.  (If I think

Re: [NTG-context] relative size of symbols

2010-07-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2010-07-28 um 10:23 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: \def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{Symbola}{1.2}{\utfchar{#1}}} Thank you, looks good, but doesn't work for me: It works but the argument need to be given in a different order, you need: \def\UnicodeSymbol#1{\getscaledglyph{}{}{}} Aaargh,

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:29 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused primarily by the simple fact that an average female bra

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
Hans, thanks for the detailed answer! My understanding is slowly advancing :D > in principle we could do without, but this helps > predefining a couple of things that otherwise would slow > down each font switch This confirms my (vague) assumption that deep in the internals it helps structure t

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
> indeed. in that case it's mostly the cpu caches that > matter Ah... Time to save some money for new hardware ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : nt

Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Stephens
Am 28.07.10 10:03, schrieb Richard Stephens: > >> Hello all, >> >> What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost >> in MKIV, please? >> I have the following code: >> >> \definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]} >> \starttext >> \startMPpage >> input mp-to

Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV

2010-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 12:22, Richard Stephens wrote: Am 28.07.10 10:03, schrieb Richard Stephens: Hello all, What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost in MKIV, please? I have the following code: \definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]} \starttext \sta

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 11:47, Martin Althoff wrote: For this reason examples with wordy declarations are welcome... Working with hard-blocking Modula compilers was a good teacher, but that's long ago. Taco once told me that one could see from the context sources (old ones maybe) that I had my share of

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, luigi scarso wrote: > > Hey, I've just seen that there is  Wolfgang  this year... Also Alan... Plotting data with Metafun/Metapost """ ... explore alternative solutions including the possibilities to process numerical data through use of luaTeX. """ Hmm , it sou

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 28-7-2010 11:47, Martin Althoff wrote: > >> For this reason examples with wordy declarations are welcome... Working >> with hard-blocking Modula compilers was a good teacher, but that's long ago. > > Taco once told me that one could see from

[NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Stephens
Hi all, On the wiki at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals/FAQ is says: "Blocked Firewall port You are most probably behind a firewall. Make sure that port 873 is open. If you cannot make any changes yourself and if your admin objects, you probably won't be able to use rsync for the di

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> #> grep -i MODULA tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/* I especially like, from core-con.mkii: %D \macros %D {getdayoftheweek, dayoftheweek} %D %D The conversion algoritm is an old one and a translation from %D a procedure written in MODULA~2 back in the 80's. I finaly %D found the 4--100-40

Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/7/28 Richard Stephens : > Hi all, > > On the wiki at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals/FAQ is says: > > "Blocked Firewall port > You are most probably behind a firewall. Make sure that port 873 is > open. If you cannot make any changes yourself and if your admin > objects, you pro

Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:49, Richard Stephens wrote: > Hi all, > > On the wiki at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals/FAQ is says: > > "Blocked Firewall port > You are most probably behind a firewall. Make sure that port 873 is > open. If you cannot make any changes yourself and if you

[NTG-context] Placing footnotes in right margin en bloc at bottom of page

2010-07-28 Thread Elias Oltmanns
Hi there, not being a ConTeXt user myself, I have been advised on the tex-d-l list of the German TUG that a certain problem could possibly be solved more easily in ConTeXt than in LaTeX. So, here is what I'm trying to achieve: The numerous but short footnotes of a document shall be placed in the r

Re: [NTG-context] Paragraph or item goes on a new page along with section (MkIV only)

2010-07-28 Thread Vedran Miletić
Datuma 22. srpnja 2010. 17:32 Hans Hagen je napisao/la: > just in the process of optimizing it ... you can run some tests with > > \let\dopreventbreakafterstructureheadauto\relax > > and see if heads end up along at the bottom > It seems you fixed it, at least in MTXrun | current version: 2010.07

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:00:09PM -0700, David Rogers napisał(a): > * Marcin Borkowski [2010-07-28 00:57]: > > >Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger > >napisał(a): > >>On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski > >> wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> what an interesti

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2010-07-28 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 19:00, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > I uploaded a new beta that can deal with the new mplib. The biggest side > effect of the new lib is that no longer formats are made and that the > 'format related code' (read: metafun) is loaded at runtime. mtx-update still seems to gener

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:39:09AM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisał(a): > > On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:29 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: > > >On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski > >> > >>I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced > >>that the low percentage of

Re: [NTG-context] new beta

2010-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 2:55, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 19:00, Hans Hagen wrote: Hi, I uploaded a new beta that can deal with the new mplib. The biggest side effect of the new lib is that no longer formats are made and that the 'format related code' (read: metafun) is loaded at runtim

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 09:29:49AM +, John Haltiwanger napisał(a): > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski > wrote: > > Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger > > napisał(a): > >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski > >> wrote: > >> > Hi, >

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread Alain Delmotte
Hi! Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit : So, as several other posters already said: It's not the words who are to blame, but the speakers and their mind sets... Let me just add a comment about he/she and the willing of the speakers. In Esperanto, there is li = he ŝi = she (same pronunciation) ĝi =

Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Stephens
> Does http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-2.htm help? > > -- > Vedran Miletić I used to update to the latest beta using download-2, but it doesn't contain new binaries and dll's etc. > There is also >    http://minimals.contextgarden.net/pragma/ > > Maybe it doesn't contain the latest ConTeXt, bu

[NTG-context] lecturer

2010-07-28 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
Just saw this on ctt. Does anyone know more about this? Thomas > Name of contribution: lecturer > Author's name: Paul Isambert > Location on CTAN: macros/generic > Summary description: On-screen presentations with PDF features for > (almost) all formats. > License type: lp

Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Stephens
What is the recommended method for creating multi-line labels in MetaPost in MKIV, please? I have the following code: \definetextext[mplabel]{\framed[frame=off,align=middle]} \starttext \startMPpage input mp-tool; draw fullcircle scaled 5cm; la

Re: [NTG-context] Multi-line labels in MetaPost MKIV

2010-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 4:08, Richard Stephens wrote: Thanks Hans, that works. Will this change be added to the next release, or do I have to re-apply it manually? will be in next release Is \sometxt not recommended now? Should I be using textext throughout? \sometxt will stay

Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 15:42, Richard Stephens wrote: > > At the above address, there is a .zip file called mswin.zip which > appears to contain binaries etc (dated 28-May-2010). Plus another one > called mswincontext.zip which presumably contains everything else > (dated 17-April-2008). How woul

[NTG-context] figures after columns

2010-07-28 Thread Horacio Suarez
hello all: I want to add a figure after a balanced \startcolumns ... \stopcolumns. When the last page uses less than aprox half a page, the figure appears after the text ends, but if the page uses about half a page o more, the figure jumps to the next page. The figure is small enough to fit in

Re: [NTG-context] width of definetextbackground

2010-07-28 Thread varmaz
Hi again, is there another approach (I didn't find an appropriate one in the documentations) to define a text block with a width larger than the actual text width? such a text block should be able to go over several page and be able to handle left and right pages (that is at the right pag

Re: [NTG-context] figures after columns

2010-07-28 Thread Peter Münster
On Wed, Jul 28 2010, Horacio Suarez wrote: > > I want to add a figure after a balanced \startcolumns ... \stopcolumns. > > When the last page uses less than aprox half a page, the figure appears > after the text ends, but if the page uses about half a page o more, the figure > jumps to the next p

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 12:43:42 luigi scarso wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM, luigi scarso wrote: > > Hey, I've just seen that there is Wolfgang this year... > > Also Alan... > > Plotting data with Metafun/Metapost > > """ > ... explore alternative solutions including the possibi

Re: [NTG-context] OT: equality (was Grammar)

2010-07-28 Thread Alan BRASLAU
\startquotation Near Göttingen are two hills that are called Die Gleichen --``The Equals''. They were no doubt given this name because, when viewed from a certain angle, they look almost identical. It is reported that David Hilbert used to ask his students why these hills were so called. None of th

Re: [NTG-context] OT: OT (was OT: equality (was Grammar))

2010-07-28 Thread Matija Šuklje
I seem to have a gift to start threads that manage to get already off topic grandchildren. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question i

Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 3:42, Richard Stephens wrote: What would be really nice is a .zip file containing EVERYTHING needed to install ConTeXt for the latest stable release AND another .zip (produced, say, once a month) with the changes since the stable release! Or failing that, just a big .zip file with e

Re: [NTG-context] lecturer

2010-07-28 Thread Taco Hoekwater
On 07/28/2010 04:08 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Just saw this on ctt. Does anyone know more about this? I helped Paul debugging the context support, but I do not really know how it does what it does. Knowing Paul's previous work, the output should look pretty good typographically, but I cannot

Re: [NTG-context] Paragraph or item goes on a new page along with section (MkIV only)

2010-07-28 Thread Peter Münster
On Wed, Jul 28 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote: > > just in the process of optimizing it ... you can run some tests with > > > > \let\dopreventbreakafterstructureheadauto\relax > > > > and see if heads end up along at the bottom > > It seems you fixed it, at least in MTXrun | current version: > 2010.0

Re: [NTG-context] figures after columns

2010-07-28 Thread Horacio Suarez
thankyou for your answer. In this example, the text after columns jumps to another page, but there is enough room for it. \starttext \startcolumns \input tufte \input tufte \input tufte \stopcolumns hola que tal \stoptext what iñm missing? thankyou for your help. Hora

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > Indeed, that is the point... > > Alan Ok, I choose these guns for the moment: Linux 32bit, last minimals. Give me 3 targets to shot and let me choose what I like. -- luigi __

[NTG-context] footnote missing

2010-07-28 Thread Peter Münster
Hello, Example: \starttext \startlocalfootnotes AAA\footnote{aaa} \placelocalfootnotes \stoplocalfootnotes BBB\footnote{bbb} \startlocalfootnotes CCC\footnote{ccc} % footnote missing \placelocalfootnotes \stoplocalfootnotes \stoptext Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.fr

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2010-07-26 um 15:20 schrieb Jano Kula: There are few weeks left till the 4th ConTeXt Meeting on September 13-18, 2010 in Brejlov, Czech Republic. We have collected interesting talks and tutorials (25+) on ConTeXt, LuaTeX, Lua, fonts, OpenType math, Metapost and more: http://meeting.contex

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 28.07.10 21:20, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2010-07-26 um 15:20 schrieb Jano Kula: There are few weeks left till the 4th ConTeXt Meeting on September 13-18, 2010 in Brejlov, Czech Republic. We have collected interesting talks and tutorials (25+) on ConTeXt, LuaTeX, Lua, fonts, OpenType

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Jano Kula wrote: > http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/abstracts.shtml Arthur Reutenauer, France Top Secret Surprise 15 to 20 minutes Rilancio con "Souvenir d'Italie" (un µTalk ) (e... si, io non riciclo i regali...) -- luigi

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
> While \MODULA\ taught me to structure, \TEX\ taught me to think recursive. I would certainly go along with the "teaching structure" part for Modula! ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please a

Re: [NTG-context] Minimals without rsync - again?

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Althoff
As I am working in China at the moment, rsync only works sporadically (super slow, possibly not at all for a couple of days, then at high speed for a day or two), kind of soft blocked. Having clobbered my installation of minimals (and other things) because of it, Not a solution, but a crutch:

Re: [NTG-context] lecturer

2010-07-28 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Just saw this on ctt. Does anyone know more about this? Just glanced at the documentation...interesting. Name of contribution: lecturer Author's name: Paul Isambert Location on CTAN: macros/generic Summary description: On-screen presentations w

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-28 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 21:20:55 Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > Would anyone from Switzerland or southern Germany share a car? > (Fastest route for me would be via Stuttgart-Nürnberg, but via Ulm or > München would also be possible.) > Arthur and I will most likely be coming by car from Paris,