Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-18 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:07:55 -0600, Russell Urquhart wrote: As a tech writer for 27+ years, who is a recent Context newbie, I applaud your efforts and wish you the best. I just recently have been in the middle of a paradigm change myself, going from Xywrite on the PC to trying to learn

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-16 Thread Russell Urquhart
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 01:16:55PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to break > out of the shell! > > :-) > > Best wishes > Idris > -- Hi Idris, As a tech writer for 27+ years, who is a recent Context newbie, I

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Kip Warner
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:16 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > > Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTeXt to > break > out of the shell! Best of luck to you. We all look forward to reading the book when done. =) -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPG

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Hi Kip, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:43:40 -0600, Kip Warner wrote: And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. Hey Idris. I think what the folks here are saying is that that's not necessarily true - for ConTeXt. Yes!! That's _exactly_ the challenge! My vision is for ConTe

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Kip Warner
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 03:51 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace > for better or for worse. Hey Idris. I think what the folks here are saying is that that's not necessarily true - for ConTeXt. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP en

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Kip Warner
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:20 +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good > idea to give that to Microsoft. No thanks. It's of course way too early > to say anything about a project that I haven't seen a single line of, > but tying it to a

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Kip Warner
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 09:20 +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > I, for one, am not willing to start wine to run something as basic as a > text editor. My sentiments precisely. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Descrip

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Kip Warner
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 08:42 +0200, Martin Schröder wrote: > Are we both talking about http://code.google.com/p/texworks/ ? Because > that's free (GPLv2) and runs on Windows, OSX and Linux. > > Best >Martin Hey Martin. I meant WinEdt. Sorry for the ambiguity. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engine

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Hi Martin, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:35:24 -0600, Martin Schröder wrote: 2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد : Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> Are we both talking about http://code.google.com/p/texworks/ ? Because > that's free (GPLv2) and runs on Windows, OSX and Linux. I guess Kip meant WinEdt. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to othe

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد : > Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-) I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality I applaud your efforts. What's the

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:38:42 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: The functionality I can extract from Npp gives a pedagogical advantage that's important for what I'm trying to achieve. For example, dbl-click a word and get a context-menu that allows you to tag that word withou

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Hi Pablo, On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:30:42 -0600, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: I'd use TeXworks as the editor So would I, except that TeXWorks is not as rich in the features I'd like, nor does it handle arabic-script as well as needed. Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-)

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
On 08/15/2011 11:51 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > Dear Knights, > > A lot of the criticism seems to miss the point :-) > > Part of the aim of the Book is to bring in new users, most of us here > already know what we're doing. And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace > for

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Pontus Lurcock
On Mon 15 Aug 2011, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > On 08/15/2011 09:16 AM, luigi scarso wrote: >> Under linux Wine sometimes does a great job. > > *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good > idea to give that to Microsoft. Huh? I've been using Wine for a while (though not

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Dear Knights, A lot of the criticism seems to miss the point :-) Part of the aim of the Book is to bring in new users, most of us here already know what we're doing. And M$-Windows dominates the marketplace for better or for worse. I want to break out of the usual paradigm of presenting Te

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/8/15 Florian Wobbe : > Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with > false positives because "context" can appear just in any context. They even have their own conference: http://context-11.teco.edu :-) Best Martin _

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Hans Hagen
On 15-8-2011 9:51, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 08/15/2011 09:46 AM, Florian Wobbe wrote: Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because "context" can appear just in any context. I wonder if all those windows hits are from people who searched f

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On 08/15/2011 09:46 AM, Florian Wobbe wrote: Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because "context" can appear just in any context. I wonder if all those windows hits are from people who searched for any other "context" and ended up on the

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Florian Wobbe
> According to statistics of distribution downloads (just counting > unique IPs, so not absolutely accurate), windows users amount to > 17-20% downloads. Wiki gets 46% of windows users. Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with false positives because "context" c

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:20, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > And > from what I see on this list, I'm not sure winblows users are the majority. According to statistics of distribution downloads (just counting unique IPs, so not absolutely accurate), windows users amount to 17-20% downloads. Wiki get

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread luigi scarso
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > On 08/15/2011 09:16 AM, luigi scarso wrote: >> >> 2011/8/15 Kip Warner: >>> >>> I'm not disagreeing with you that Npp might be great for beginnings, I'm >>> just saying that many beginners can't use it because it isn't available >>> for thei

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On 08/15/2011 09:16 AM, luigi scarso wrote: Under linux Wine sometimes does a great job. *If* the linux user happens to have 150 bucks and thinks it's a good idea to give that to Microsoft. No thanks. It's of course way too early to say anything about a project that I haven't seen a single li

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Taco Hoekwater
On 08/15/2011 09:16 AM, luigi scarso wrote: 2011/8/15 Kip Warner: I'm not disagreeing with you that Npp might be great for beginnings, I'm just saying that many beginners can't use it because it isn't available for their operating system. Under linux Wine sometimes does a great job. I, for one

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread luigi scarso
2011/8/15 Kip Warner : > I'm not disagreeing with you that Npp might be great for beginnings, I'm > just saying that many beginners can't use it because it isn't available > for their operating system. Under linux Wine sometimes does a great job. -- luigi _

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Herbert Voss
Am 15.08.2011 08:42, schrieb Martin Schröder: 2011/8/15 Kip Warner: On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 16:39 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: unicode, bidi is just a non-starter. TeXWorks has a long way to go, and although I'm a fan of Qt its open-type implementation is buggy; so some Arabi

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/8/15 Kip Warner : > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 16:39 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي > حامد wrote: >> unicode, bidi is just a non-starter. TeXWorks has a long way to go, and >> although I'm a fan of Qt its open-type implementation is buggy; so some >> Arabic-monospaced fonts don't show up cor

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Kip Warner
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 16:39 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > Wow, that would be great if we got tens of millions of users to buy the > Book :D :D :D ;) > Well, most people using Linux have some technical facility, so they can > configure their own editors. I don't know abo

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Kip Warner
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 14:45 +1000, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > Maybe I'm missing the point, but what about Emacs? There are versions for > most operating systems, and emacs+auctex is surely the editing system of > choice for any TeX-based system. > > -Alasdair Emacs I'm sure is great, but it's re

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Alasdair McAndrew
Maybe I'm missing the point, but what about Emacs? There are versions for most operating systems, and emacs+auctex is surely the editing system of choice for any TeX-based system. -Alasdair 2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد > Hi Kip, > > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:16:58 -0600, Kip Wa

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Hi Kip, On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:16:58 -0600, Kip Warner wrote: As some of you may know, I'm working on a professional introductory book for learning ConTeXt. Part of the philosophy of this book is to be as self-contained as possible, so we'll be using a preferred editor. Hey Idris. I think w

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Kip Warner
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 14:23 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > Dear gang, > > As some of you may know, I'm working on a professional introductory book > for learning ConTeXt. Part of the philosophy of this book is to be as > self-contained as possible, so we'll be using a pref

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread amca01
Sent from my android device. -Original Message- From: "Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد" To: ntg-context@ntg.nl, "dev-cont...@ntg.nl" Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 6:23 AM Subject: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help! Dear gang, As some of you may kn

[NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-14 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Dear gang, As some of you may know, I'm working on a professional introductory book for learning ConTeXt. Part of the philosophy of this book is to be as self-contained as possible, so we'll be using a preferred editor. Not one editor/ide out there is ideal for ConTeXt (including bidi editi