IME: Many developers have no concept of how DBMSes, networking, or
infrastructure works or is maintained. There's simply too much to learn in the
development arena to keep abreast of what's happening in other areas.
Cheers
Ken
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday,
I can honestly say I've never run into that, in over 20 years of being
a sysadmin. Once I got past layer 3, the use of system logs and
testing with appropriate tools has always solved the problem.
Of course, I have rarely worked with developers as intensely as you
seemed to have done. That's chang
There have indeed been many times when people have asked about how
things work, and have used layers 1 through 3 for solving issues. Both
the OSI model and the TCP/IP model work very well for that - they have
those layers pretty much in common.
But after that? In my longish tenure on this list I d
And there are some programmers that approach being brilliant within the
tunnel-visioned silo of their project’s *end* goal, but have never had
experience with the big picture on how EVERYTHING needs to play nice
together, and may not care or ever learn.
Kind of like one developer years ago that
“Sorry, I forgot my smileys. However, though my resposne was sort of tongue
in cheek, it sort of wasn't. “
Ok, more in line with my experience with you. This was a past job, and not
only no, but mostly NO to being involved with developer hiring. It was not
exactly a symmetrical environment.
Not likely.
Besides, have you not noticed a downward trend in skill levels across the
board? We're just not making IT professionals like we used to...
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On May 31, 2010 12:31 PM, "Jonathan Link" wrote:
Sorry, I forgot my smileys.
+1
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On May 31, 2010 9:36 AM, "Erik Goldoff" wrote:
" Tell me - when was the last time in your memory where you thought
something like "Oh, this is oper...
Frequently when dealing with some application 'developers' when
troubleshooti
Sorry, I forgot my smileys.
However, though my resposne was sort of tongue in cheek, it sort of wasn't.
If you're responsible for maintaining systems developed internally, I would
hope you have some involvement with those hiring decisions, such as being
part of the interview process and assessing
With all due respect ( and not sure how much based on this response, even
though my experiences with you in the past are positive )
What a bullsh*t reply !... As if an infrastructure Systems Manager has any
control over on the hiring/staffing of the Applications Development
Manager’s decision
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Erik Goldoff wrote:
> Frequently when dealing with some application 'developers' when
> troubleshooting connectivity or performance issues.
I would suggest that you're having a frequent discussion like this with
'developers' you should find some real developers.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:
> Has anyone got something to the tune of 6x1T RAID10 hanging off a Perc H700
> or Perc/6i? Dell’s shopping site is rejecting the config although their
> specs for the controllers seem to think it’s supported.
>
> The shopping site is making m
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" Tell me - when was the last time in your memory where you thought
something like "Oh, this is operating at layer 5 instead of layer 6 or
layer 4"?"
Frequently when dealing with some application 'developers' when troubleshooting
connectivity or performance issues. Many don't seem to understand
+1
Back in the NT 4.0 days when interviewing candidates I'd ask them the first
thing they'd check if a user could not login due to a 'domain controller cannot
be found' type error.
Amazing how many would jump directly to the more 'sophisticated' layers, check
domain controller, IP Stack, WIN
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