“Sorry, I forgot my smileys. However, though my resposne was sort of tongue in cheek, it sort of wasn't. “
Ok, more in line with my experience with you. This was a past job, and not only no, but mostly NO to being involved with developer hiring. It was not exactly a symmetrical environment. There were a number of 12 week projects that I wasn’t even notified about until the 11th week, when my systems team would need 2 weeks to properly complete our portion. We were frequently rushed to complete regardless of security and stability concerns, or flat out over-ruled on wanting to design in proper security on some systems because the developers found it easier for their systems to have domain admin capabilities. Arrrrgggggggh. LOTS of good memories from my time there, but quite a few battles and not-so-good memories too. And no satisfaction with after-the-fact “I told you so” when something would fail. Just the real world, not a perfect world. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, & Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Applicability of the OSI model (was: Big Changes) Sorry, I forgot my smileys. However, though my resposne was sort of tongue in cheek, it sort of wasn't. If you're responsible for maintaining systems developed internally, I would hope you have some involvement with those hiring decisions, such as being part of the interview process and assessing potential candidates a score. While it may be the hiring manager's final say, at least you give yourself the opportunity for the inevitable "I told you so." On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Erik Goldoff <egold...@gmail.com> wrote: With all due respect ( and not sure how much based on this response, even though my experiences with you in the past are positive ) What a bullsh*t reply !... As if an infrastructure Systems Manager has any control over on the hiring/staffing of the Applications Development Manager’s decision. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, & Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Applicability of the OSI model (was: Big Changes) On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Erik Goldoff <egold...@gmail.com> wrote: Frequently when dealing with some application 'developers' when troubleshooting connectivity or performance issues. I would suggest that you're having a frequent discussion like this with 'developers' you should find some real developers... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
