Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread James Rankin
All depends on the infrastructure and your needs. Virtualisation certainly gives you the opportunity to spread your services out by putting them across multiple individual servers, but then you get that inevitable Virtual Sprawl as your server estate bloats out, using up more storage, more

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread N Parr
Every business is unique and virtualization has changed the game. It all depends on how much down time your users can tolerate, the services they require and the budget you have to work with. If you load up a server with a dozen different features and have to reboot it because of one of them

Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Joseph Heaton
A server for every 4-5 users seems a little overkill to me. Unless maybe they're doing some major CG filmmaking, or something... Holstrom, Don dholst...@nbm.org 7/19/2010 6:54 AM I only have a hundred users. Been doing this for about 12 years. I always thought it was better to have more or

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Michael B. Smith
I rather agree with one server per major application. Two where redundancy is important, and you can afford it. But that should still be no more than a handful of servers in most environments of 100 users... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com

Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread RichardMcClary
WAY back when I first started working here, servers were regarded with awe as exotic and expensive machines. We tried to get each one to do as many functions (different apps and services) as it could handle. Once the price on servers started to creep down, developers began to specify that

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Charlie Kaiser
My feeling is that the decision should be made on an individual basis. I don't think I'd make a blanket statement that more servers or less servers is best. In a small business fewer might be better; in a high-availability business with a decent IT budget, more might be better, just as examples.

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Kim Longenbaugh
Virtualization makes it easier to go the one major server per service route, allowing you to consolidate hardware while at the same time satisfying those developers that insist their apps require a dedicated server (which I usually interpret as we're too lazy to develop and test our app to the

Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Virtualization gives you the ability to consolidate servers intelligently. Some applications need to be isolated on their own servers, and in some cases, that is just a huge waste of processing power, as the concerns you present can be mitigated in a different fashion. You can get the results

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Maglinger, Paul
We tried to go with server consolidation years ago (before VM was popular) and kept running into issues with applications fighting with each other on the same machines (particularly Cisco products). Now that we're playing with VM and looking into blade servers, we're looking at it again. Not a

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Ziots, Edward
Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 11:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers? We tried to go with server consolidation years ago (before VM

Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Devin Meade
We have about the same environment. We keep most services separate for the reason you state. We decided to not not virutalilze large file servers. That definition keeps changing though. Anything else is a candidate for a VM. I really like having one (maybe two) services per server, it has

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Holstrom, Don
System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers? Maybe get rid of the CISCO apps. We are using blades with ESX and its working quite nicely... Actually the blades are performing as good if not better than the stand alone DL 580's we have for other ESX servers. Z Edward E

RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Jeff Cain
://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/ Tel: 1-877-757-4094 Fax: +1 727-562-3402 From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:dholst...@nbm.org] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers? I have liked SuperMicro blades for the past six or seven years but I am being told to go

Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Steven Peck
Sunbelt Software, part of the GFI Software family www.sunbeltsoftware.com Tel: 1-877-757-4094 Fax: +1 727-562-3402 From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:dholst...@nbm.org] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers? I

Re: Do you all like fewer or more servers?

2010-07-19 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Admin Issues Subject: RE: Do you all like fewer or more servers? I have liked SuperMicro blades for the past six or seven years but I am being told to go with Dell for the warrantees and the like. I know Dell is two or three times more expensive, is this worth it? From: Ziots