Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-09-15 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Ilhan Polat wrote: > A few months ago, I had the innocent intention to wrap LDLt decomposition > routines of LAPACK into SciPy but then I am made aware that the minimum > required version of LAPACK/BLAS was due to Accelerate framework. Since then > I've been foll

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-29 Thread Ilhan Polat
If it can confuse you, imagine what would happen to regular users like me. That's why I wanted to mention this in advance that this also needs some sort of a "No this is not related to Anaconda Accelerate" disclaimer at some place if need be. ___ NumPy-Di

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-29 Thread Matthew Brett
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Ilhan Polat wrote: >> Yet another twirl to the existing spaghetti >> >> https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/open-sourcing-anaconda-accelerate >> > > Just to avoid some obvious confusion, An

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Ilhan Polat wrote: > Yet another twirl to the existing spaghetti > > https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/open-sourcing-anaconda-accelerate > Just to avoid some obvious confusion, Anaconda Accelerate is nothing to do with macOS Accelerate: """ Accel

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-29 Thread Ilhan Polat
Yet another twirl to the existing spaghetti https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/open-sourcing-anaconda-accelerate On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Matthew Brett > w

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Matthew Brett
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Matthew Brett > wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Matthew Brett >>> wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nathaniel Smith wro

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Matthew Brett >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: I updated the bit about OpenBLAS wheel with some more inf

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Matthew Brett
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Matthew Brett > wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >>> I updated the bit about OpenBLAS wheel with some more information on >>> the status of that work. It's not super impor

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> I updated the bit about OpenBLAS wheel with some more information on >> the status of that work. It's not super important, but FYI. > > Maybe remove the bit (of my text) that you cro

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Matthew Brett
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > I updated the bit about OpenBLAS wheel with some more information on > the status of that work. It's not super important, but FYI. Maybe remove the bit (of my text) that you crossed out, or removed the strikethrough and qualify? At the mo

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Nathaniel Smith
I updated the bit about OpenBLAS wheel with some more information on the status of that work. It's not super important, but FYI. I also want to disagree with this characterization of the Accelerate/multiprocessing issue: "This problem was due to a bug in multiprocessing and is fixed in Python 3.4

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-25 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Ilhan Polat wrote: > Ouch, that's from 2012 :( I'll add this thread as a reference to the wiki > list. > > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Nathan Goldbaum > wrote: >> >> See >> https://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/numpy-discussion/2012-August/063589.html >> a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-23 Thread Ilhan Polat
Ouch, that's from 2012 :( I'll add this thread as a reference to the wiki list. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Nathan Goldbaum wrote: > See https://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/numpy-discussion/ > 2012-August/063589.html and replies in that thread. > > Quote from an Apple engineer in that thread

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-23 Thread Nathan Goldbaum
See https://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/numpy-discussion/2012-August/063589.html and replies in that thread. Quote from an Apple engineer in that thread: "For API outside of POSIX, including GCD and technologies like Accelerate, we do not support usage on both sides of a fork(). For this reason amon

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-23 Thread Ilhan Polat
That's probably because I know nothing about the issue, is there any reference I can read about? But in general, please feel free populate new items in the wiki page. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > I've been wishing we'd stop shipping Accelerate for years, because of

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-23 Thread Nathaniel Smith
I've been wishing we'd stop shipping Accelerate for years, because of how it breaks multiprocessing – that doesn't seem to be on your list yet. On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 3:50 AM, Ilhan Polat wrote: > A few months ago, I had the innocent intention to wrap LDLt decomposition > routines of LAPACK into

[Numpy-discussion] Dropping support for Accelerate

2017-07-22 Thread Ilhan Polat
A few months ago, I had the innocent intention to wrap LDLt decomposition routines of LAPACK into SciPy but then I am made aware that the minimum required version of LAPACK/BLAS was due to Accelerate framework. Since then I've been following the core SciPy team and others' discussion on this issue.