Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-25 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/25/07, Colin J. Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Baxter wrote: > > On 3/25/07, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Bill Baxter wrote: > > > >> I don't know. Given our previous history with convenience functions with > >> different calling semantics (anyone remember rand()?),

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-25 Thread Colin J. Williams
Bill Baxter wrote: > On 3/25/07, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Bill Baxter wrote: > >> I don't know. Given our previous history with convenience functions with >> different calling semantics (anyone remember rand()?), I think it probably >> will >> confuse some people. >> >> I'd reall

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/25/07, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Baxter wrote: > I don't know. Given our previous history with convenience functions with > different calling semantics (anyone remember rand()?), I think it probably > will > confuse some people. > > I'd really like to see it on a cookbook

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/25/07, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Baxter wrote: > > > I think it's fine for filter()/reduce()/map() to be taken out of > > builtins and moved to a standard module, but it's not clear that > > that's what they're going to do. That py3K web page just says "remove > > reduce()

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Robert Kern
Bill Baxter wrote: > I think it's fine for filter()/reduce()/map() to be taken out of > builtins and moved to a standard module, but it's not clear that > that's what they're going to do. That py3K web page just says "remove > reduce()... done". http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/p3y

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/25/07, Alan G Isaac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Bill Baxter apparently wrote: > > So if one just > > changes the example to > > reduce(lambda s, a: s * a.myattr, data, 1) > > How does one write that in a simplified way using generator > > expressions without calling on

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Robert Kern
Bill Baxter wrote: > On 3/24/07, Anne Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You could do this, and for your >> own code maybe it's worth it, but I think it would be confusing in the >> library. > > Could be. Doesn't seem so confusing to me as long as it's documented > clearly in the docstring,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/25/07, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The generator expression PEP doesn't say this, but the Python 3000 > planning PEP (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3100/) has map() and > filter() on the 'to-be-removed' list with a parenthetic comment that > they can stay. Removal of re

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Bill Baxter apparently wrote: > So if one just > changes the example to > reduce(lambda s, a: s * a.myattr, data, 1) > How does one write that in a simplified way using generator > expressions without calling on reduce? Eliminating the expressiveness of ``reduce`` has

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Perry Greenfield wrote: > On Mar 24, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Bill Baxter wrote: > >> On 3/24/07, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Anne Archibald wrote: P.S. reduce isn't even a numpy thing, it's one of python's much-neglected lispy functions. >>> It looks like reduce(), map

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/25/07, Perry Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Bill Baxter wrote: > > > On 3/24/07, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Anne Archibald wrote: > >>> > >>> P.S. reduce isn't even a numpy thing, it's one of python's > >>> much-neglected lispy func

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/24/07, Anne Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24/03/07, Bill Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nice, but how does that fare on things like mdot(a,(b,c),d) ? I'm > > pretty sure it doesn't handle it. > > I think an mdot that can only multiply things left to right comes up > > sho

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Perry Greenfield
On Mar 24, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Bill Baxter wrote: > On 3/24/07, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anne Archibald wrote: >>> >>> P.S. reduce isn't even a numpy thing, it's one of python's >>> much-neglected lispy functions. >>> >> >> It looks like reduce(), map(), and filter() are going

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/24/07, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anne Archibald wrote: > > > > P.S. reduce isn't even a numpy thing, it's one of python's > > much-neglected lispy functions. > > > > It looks like reduce(), map(), and filter() are going away for Python > 3.0 since GvR believes that they are

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Colin J. Williams
Bill Baxter wrote: > On 3/24/07, Anne Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 24/03/07, Bill Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I mentioned in another thread Travis started on the scipy list that I >>> would find it useful if there were a function like dot() that could >>> multiply more than

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Alan G Isaac wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, "Steven H. Rogers" apparently wrote: >> It looks like reduce(), map(), and filter() are going away for Python >> 3.0 since GvR believes that they are redundant and list comprehensions >> and generator expressions are more readable alternatives. lambda

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, "Steven H. Rogers" apparently wrote: > It looks like reduce(), map(), and filter() are going away for Python > 3.0 since GvR believes that they are redundant and list comprehensions > and generator expressions are more readable alternatives. lambda was on > the block as we

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Anne Archibald wrote: > > P.S. reduce isn't even a numpy thing, it's one of python's > much-neglected lispy functions. > It looks like reduce(), map(), and filter() are going away for Python 3.0 since GvR believes that they are redundant and list comprehensions and generator expressions are mor

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread dmitrey
but how about the things like a = dot(array([8]), ones([1000,1000], array([15])))? it will be much faster if we will dot 8 x 15 at first, and than the result to the big array. D. Anne Archibald wrote: > On 24/03/07, Bill Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Nice, but how does that fare on

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-24 Thread Anne Archibald
On 24/03/07, Bill Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice, but how does that fare on things like mdot(a,(b,c),d) ? I'm > pretty sure it doesn't handle it. > I think an mdot that can only multiply things left to right comes up > short compared to an infix operator that can easily use parentheses

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-23 Thread Bill Baxter
On 3/24/07, Anne Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24/03/07, Bill Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I mentioned in another thread Travis started on the scipy list that I > > would find it useful if there were a function like dot() that could > > multiply more than just two things. > > >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-23 Thread Anne Archibald
On 24/03/07, Bill Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I mentioned in another thread Travis started on the scipy list that I > would find it useful if there were a function like dot() that could > multiply more than just two things. > > Here's a sample implementation called 'mdot'. > > mdot(a,b,c,d)

[Numpy-discussion] Simple multi-arg wrapper for dot()

2007-03-23 Thread Bill Baxter
I mentioned in another thread Travis started on the scipy list that I would find it useful if there were a function like dot() that could multiply more than just two things. Here's a sample implementation called 'mdot'. mdot(a,b,c,d) ==> dot(dot(dot(a,b),c),d) mdot(a,(b,c),d) ==> dot(dot(a,dot(b,